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Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 2824398)
Insert sound of very impressive fishing cast with the splash of the rig at the end.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2824490)
Judging by recent mishaps, a more urgent need is for the majors to get people who have actually HAND FLOWN an aircraft and not just been FMS programmers.
That may actually be more valuable than a degree in submerged Native American textile fabrication. |
Originally Posted by SSlow
(Post 2824924)
Agreed. Plus it keeps their contracted labor source somewhat adequately staffed in the meantime to fuel profits and keep investors happy. What is really going to suck for these poor folks is when the retirement flood gates open and the strong economy is still humming along. At that point AA will either have to A) flow everyone (spoiler alert: that will never happen), or B) merge with one of the smaller LCC/ULCC airlines - the more likely scenario for a multitude of reasons.
At that point the "flow thru" will be more like a "stay put in your RJ for another five years" and all of the 90s babies will be p*ssed because for the first time in their careers things won't be all rainbows and butterflies. |
Thank you sir; May I have another?
Perhaps the real value of a degree is that it certifies your ability to withstand vast amounts of abuse while pretending to like it.
This is an important skill in our industry. :D |
Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 2825690)
Perhaps the real value of a degree is that it certifies your ability to withstand vast amounts of abuse while pretending to like it.
This is an important skill in our industry. :D |
Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 2825690)
Perhaps the real value of a degree is that it certifies your ability to withstand vast amounts of abuse while pretending to like it.
This is an important skill in our industry. :D |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2824918)
I think folks are realizing that they can *most likely* get hired faster OTS, whether from an AA regional or any other regional. So they might as well get paid more while they wait, unless they have known black marks going in, or are just very risk averse. I can't really fault the last, you're always one checkride away from being a great candidate to getting moved down about 5,000 apps from the top of the stack.
1. It would disproportionately attract those with black marks. One could debate whether or not such things as multiple failed checkrides, no college degree, or multiple DUIs or other run-ins with the law actually do predict your performance as an airline or not, but these (and other) black marks certainly have been used as discriminators, rightly or wrongly. But there is little doubt that those people with such black marks are being ADVISED to go to an AA wholly owned. You see that all the time on APC. 2. It would pull in those risk averse, the ones that are willing to wait a decade for the supposed ‘surge thing’. Again, it’s probably arguable if that is a good or a bad thing in a major airline pilot. But at least in some respects it well might be a negative, particularly when we see regionals with flow (or quasi flow, see Alaska/Horizon), having either to resort to DECs, near-DECs, or forced upgrades because their upgrade eligible FOs won’t bid on the upgrade. All in all, it would appear that a flow over time would act to concentrate in the regional an increased percentage of people that the major wouldn't have voluntarily recruited OTS. That makes me wonder if, after eight or nine years of waiting, people aren’t going to see their flow programs abruptly terminated if the major is not contractually bound to that program, and maybe even if they are. The management at the major certainly has more legal horsepower than the unions at most regionals. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2825916)
It would seem like, intentional or not, flow would be likely to do two things:
1. It would disproportionately attract those with black marks. One could debate whether or not such things as multiple failed checkrides, no college degree, or multiple DUIs or other run-ins with the law actually do predict your performance as an airline or not, but these (and other) black marks certainly have been used as discriminators, rightly or wrongly. But there is little doubt that those people with such black marks are being ADVISED to go to an AA wholly owned. You see that all the time on APC. 2. It would pull in those risk averse, the ones that are willing to wait a decade for the supposed ‘surge thing’. Again, it’s probably arguable if that is a good or a bad thing in a major airline pilot. But at least in some respects it well might be a negative, particularly when we see regionals with flow (or quasi flow, see Alaska/Horizon), having either to resort to DECs, near-DECs, or forced upgrades because their upgrade eligible FOs won’t bid on the upgrade. All in all, it would appear that a flow over time would act to concentrate in the regional an increased percentage of people that the major wouldn't have voluntarily recruited OTS. That makes me wonder if, after eight or nine years of waiting, people aren’t going to see their flow programs abruptly terminated if the major is not contractually bound to that program, and maybe even if they are. The management at the major certainly has more legal horsepower than the unions at most regionals. Today, that's what Mesa is for. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2825931)
What you are forgetting is, that the WO's normally don't hire the DUI/multiple failed checkride folks. They might have done that for a brief while in 2016 or so, but not any more.
Today, that's what Mesa is for. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2825931)
They might have done that for a brief while in 2016 or so, ...
And seriously, look on the ‘career’ threads, anyone who asks about whether they can ever make it to a major because of bad marks in their career or a lack of a degree are being advised to go to a wholly owned. Once again, one can debate whether those alleged ‘black marks’ or the presence or absence of a four year degree actually MEAN anything, but there is little doubt that those with them are being disproportionately channeled into AA wholly owned regionals. And in nine years - when the retirement/hiring wave peak has passed - are those really the people AA is going to want in preference to separating/retiring military and other unblemished OTS hires? I woukdn’t Be too sure. Without actual contractual language the flow is vaporware. Even with it, it’s your (regional) union against management and who has the big gun lawyers in that face off? I wouldn’t even bet on APA siding with the regional unions. We’ll see in about eight or nine years I guess, which of course is damn near an eternity in this business. |
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