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Regional w/ Fastest Flight Time Accumulation
Which regional, cushy contract rules aside, would currently or is projected to allow for the fastest rate of accumulation for flight hours (and subsequent upgrade) in the first year?
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I'd have to throw CommutAir in the running for that.
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Not Piedmont. It takes 9-11 months to make it from new hire indoc to OE.
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Skywest CRJ is about as fast as it gets, assuming you aren't trying to get a west coast base.
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21
(Post 2825510)
Not Piedmont. It takes 9-11 months to make it from new hire indoc to OE.
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Probably Mesa I’ll hit 800 hrs while biding min credit hrs.
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This is the type of mentality that kills any QOL potential for the regionals.
How fast can I build hours; how quickly can I upgrade? Hint: I don’t want to be in the back of your plane. |
Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
(Post 2825583)
Probably Mesa I’ll hit 800 hrs while biding min credit hrs.
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12 months from indoc, to include all training and IOE, I had 830 hours at CP
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Air whisky.
Just talked to a FO today that timed out on his 1000/365. I don’t even want to know how he did it.... |
Add GoJet and TransStates to that list.
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Originally Posted by bkey79
(Post 2825722)
Add GoJet and TransStates to that list.
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Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma
(Post 2825595)
This is the type of mentality that kills any QOL potential for the regionals.
How fast can I build hours; how quickly can I upgrade? Hint: I don’t want to be in the back of your plane. Hint: these guys will be in the left seat at the major when you finally make it to the right there and you will lag them in seniority for your entire career there. The same as those who wait to flow will lag the guys junior to them who make it first as OTS hires. |
Originally Posted by 42ER
(Post 2825709)
Air whisky.
Just talked to a FO today that timed out on his 1000/365. I don’t even want to know how he did it.... |
Pick a regional with good snack basket options.. Live in their junior base and you're good to go.
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2825566)
Skywest CRJ is about as fast as it gets, assuming you aren't trying to get a west coast base.
If you're not from California.. Stay away.. You won't like the sticker shock of prices here.. Unless you're willing to rent a couch like my buddy (you know who you are!) or live in a van behind an In n Out (you know who you are too!). On first year pay, you'll be able to afford the nicest tent to live in under the 405. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2825907)
Sort of depends upon if you want a long happy career at a regional or would prefer to just get on with it and get to a major. Everyone makes choices...
Hint: these guys will be in the left seat at the major when you finally make it to the right there and you will lag them in seniority for your entire career there. The same as those who wait to flow will lag the guys junior to them who make it first as OTS hires. |
Originally Posted by Varsity
(Post 2826276)
And when you build all this time and still don't get called (like the other 18,000 who have applied) and you're stuck at a sh*t regional.. then what?
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Originally Posted by Varsity
(Post 2826276)
And when you build all this time and still don't get called (like the other 18,000 who have applied) and you're stuck at a sh*t regional.. then what?
You can either USE the regional for your purposes or let them use you for theirs. Rather work for Skywest? Get your 1000 TSIC and 1000 TSIC at wherever you can get it the fastest and THEN go work for OO. Industry Experience Credit: Have experience with an FAR Part 121 Carrier? Upgrade Your Career and get paid for your experience. Join SkyWest’s team of professional aviators and don’t worry about pay – we will start your pay at a year-for-year match! That means that every year you have worked at a FAR Part 121 carrier counts towards your compensation and benefits (up to a 10 year rate). Plus, we’re offering a $7,500 bonus for experienced pilots. Come work for the best regional in the industry! Or go to Republic and pick up a $17500 bonus (and another type rating) and start at year one. You seriously think these regionals won’t pick you up if you have 2000 hrs of 121 time from TSA? You seriously think a type rating and 2000 hrs of 121 time, half of that PIC, is going to HURT you careerwise? It isn’t gonna hurt you near as much as going somewhere that you spend a year on reserve and fly 250 hrs, that’s for sure. The point is, DRIVE THE PROCESS, don’t be passive. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2826452)
How do you get stuck at a sh*t regional? Never heard of the thirteenth amendment?
You can either USE the regional for your purposes or let them use you for theirs. Rather work for Skywest? Get your 1000 TSIC and 1000 TSIC at wherever you can get it the fastest and THEN go work for OO. You haven’t lost a friggin thing. You got a type rating and a bonus from someone like TSA (currently advertising a $60k signing bonus), get your thousand hours, upgrade to captain with $68/hr year two pay, and once you have your magic 1000TPIC, THEN you can go to OO, pick up ANOTHER type rating, a $7500 bonus, and start work there as a Third Year FO at $55 an hour and work THERE until you get the call. Or go to Republic and pick up a $17500 bonus (and another type rating) and start at year one. You seriously think these regionals won’t pick you up if you have 2000 hrs of 121 time from TSA? You seriously think a type rating and 2000 hrs of 121 time, half of that PIC, is going to HURT you careerwise? It isn’t gonna hurt you near as much as going somewhere that you spend a year on reserve and fly 250 hrs, that’s for sure. The point is, DRIVE THE PROCESS, don’t be passive. |
You can get as much flight time as you want at any regional. Just go with what makes getting to work as easy as possible or a city you enjoy living in.
As soon as you get 1000hrs TPIC the majors aren’t magically going to call. There are still lots of very qualified candidates out there. |
Originally Posted by Cefiro
(Post 2826507)
You can get as much flight time as you want at any regional.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/h...no-flying.html
Originally Posted by Cefiro
(Post 2826507)
As soon as you get 1000hrs TPIC the majors aren’t magically going to call. There are still lots of very qualified candidates out there.
Does the fact that “the majors aren’t going to magically call” or that “there are still lots of candidates out there” mean that you aren’t even going to try? That you aren’t going to put out apps at all? That you are just going to go to some wholly owned and HOPE they don’t renege on the flow in the future? |
Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma
(Post 2825595)
This is the type of mentality that kills any QOL potential for the regionals.
How fast can I build hours; how quickly can I upgrade? Hint: I don’t want to be in the back of your plane. |
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
(Post 2826463)
Are you a motivational speaker on your time off? :D
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2826452)
How do you get stuck at a sh*t regional? Never heard of the thirteenth amendment?
You can either USE the regional for your purposes or let them use you for theirs. Rather work for Skywest? Get your 1000 TSIC and 1000 TSIC at wherever you can get it the fastest and THEN go work for OO. You haven’t lost a friggin thing. You got a type rating and a bonus from someone like TSA (currently advertising a $60k signing bonus), get your thousand hours, upgrade to captain with $68/hr year two pay, and once you have your magic 1000TPIC, THEN you can go to OO, pick up ANOTHER type rating, a $7500 bonus, and start work there as a Third Year FO at $55 an hour and work THERE until you get the call. Or go to Republic and pick up a $17500 bonus (and another type rating) and start at year one. You seriously think these regionals won’t pick you up if you have 2000 hrs of 121 time from TSA? You seriously think a type rating and 2000 hrs of 121 time, half of that PIC, is going to HURT you careerwise? It isn’t gonna hurt you near as much as going somewhere that you spend a year on reserve and fly 250 hrs, that’s for sure. The point is, DRIVE THE PROCESS, don’t be passive. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2826767)
If your plan was to work for Skywest all along, why wouldn't you just start there? Why give up 2.5 to 3 years seniority? You build time there just as fast or faster than any other place.
But seriously, the issue was what would your options be if you went to a place like TSA, got your 1000 TPIC, and got “trapped” there because a Major didn‘t Call. Both OO and Republic would hire that person in a heartbeat if they then wanted to go to a regional with better QOL. Don’t you agree? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2826781)
A $60k signing bonus appeals to some people more than a$7.5k bonus. Go figure.
But seriously, the issue was what would your options be if you went to a place like TSA, got your 1000 TPIC, and got “trapped” there because a Major didn‘t Call. Both OO and Republic would hire that person in a heartbeat if they then wanted to go to a regional with better QOL. Don’t you agree? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2826712)
What? Me? :D
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Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma
(Post 2825595)
This is the type of mentality that kills any QOL potential for the regionals.
How fast can I build hours; how quickly can I upgrade? Hint: I don’t want to be in the back of your plane. Plus, as has been noted above already, you can always jump ship to a different regional with better conditions and long-term outlook (Republic comes to mind) later if the majors don’t come calling. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2826812)
Not necessarily. Why would someone be trapped unless hiring stagnates?
And when you build all this time and still don't get called (like the other 18,000 who have applied) and you're stuck at a sh*t regional.. then what?
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2826812)
If hiring stagnates it's gonna be tough to move anywhere.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2826896)
Why ask me. I didn’t make up the hypothetical. Varsity’s question was:
It did not imply a general stagnation/recession hitting the entire regional industry, in which case we might see furloughs no matter whe prevwe were. Very possibly, but that’s always the case. With the military already short of pilots and having little capability to increase their output due to the loss of UPT bases and airspace, and with the upcoming mandatory retirement wave at the majors, and with a couple of different majors in the planning stage (and Moxy looking very feasible) the risk right now seems -if anything- LOWER than normal. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2826911)
I don't disagree with any of that. I've just always questioned anyone who goes to a **** regional because (insert reason of the month here) when there are plenty of places with good career advancement and decent (relative) pay. I've never understood how the bottom-feeders stay alive and continue to attract pilots. Then again I'm constantly baffled at how pilots at my own shop constantly get the wool pulled over their eyes. I guess pilots in general just aren't as sharp as we like to let on.
Have a good night, word. I’m giving it up. ;) |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2826911)
I don't disagree with any of that. I've just always questioned anyone who goes to a **** regional because (insert reason of the month here) when there are plenty of places with good career advancement and decent (relative) pay. I've never understood how the bottom-feeders stay alive and continue to attract pilots. Then again I'm constantly baffled at how pilots at my own shop constantly get the wool pulled over their eyes. I guess pilots in general just aren't as sharp as we like to let on.
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Originally Posted by C37AFE
(Post 2826951)
I’d say generally it would be a non commute domicile
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The answer to the question is: any regional without flow or pay.
If there’s flow or adequate pay they are properly staffed and new pilots will be on reserve and fly a little. Mesa has neither and we have pilots timing out on 1000 in 365 without picking up open time because we fly them 90-98 hours a month. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 2829342)
The answer to the question is: any regional without flow or pay.
If there’s flow or adequate pay they are properly staffed and new pilots will be on reserve and fly a little. Mesa has neither and we have pilots timing out on 1000 in 365 without picking up open time because we fly them 90-98 hours a month. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 2829342)
The answer to the question is: any regional without flow or pay.
If there’s flow or adequate pay they are properly staffed and new pilots will be on reserve and fly a little. Mesa has neither and we have pilots timing out on 1000 in 365 without picking up open time because we fly them 90-98 hours a month. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2831039)
Envoy 175, reserve for 1-2 months, easy to do 13 days off and block 100 hours a month as a lineholder.
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Originally Posted by hockey27
(Post 2831064)
Thats False
13 days off and you get this: "YOUR REQUEST TO PICK UP FROM SEQ 0xxxx / xxJUN HAS BEEN DENIED. F/O xxxxxx PROJECTION JUN 99.54 SKD PROJ JUN 99.54" Drop a trip, pick up a nice critical 4-day if you want during the first 10 days and boom - 130 hours credit, 99 hours block, with 13 days off. Getting 100 hours a month is not hard. It did take a few hours of optimizing to get it that close to 100. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2831075)
No it isn't. Pick up the day turns from P2P, lots of them around, and they credit 7ish hours per trip.
13 days off and you get this: "YOUR REQUEST TO PICK UP FROM SEQ 0xxxx / xxJUN HAS BEEN DENIED. F/O xxxxxx PROJECTION JUN 99.54 SKD PROJ JUN 99.54" Drop a trip, pick up a nice critical 4-day if you want during the first 10 days and boom - 130 hours credit, 99 hours block, with 13 days off. Getting 100 hours a month is not hard. It did take a few hours of optimizing to get it that close to 100. I had an absolute dream run on the 140/145 in NY at my time in Envoy. But classes literally a 2-3 months after were handed a bag of d***ks and were stuck for over 12 months on reserve, and some longer as they bid out to more senior bases. Timing is everything. Envoy is great if you live in base and hit the timing right. It’s mostly luck and it’s a very small target to hit. |
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