Originally Posted by Xjrstreetcar
(Post 2856855)
The way airline compensation works, those at the regionals are subsidizing those at the legacies. And those with low seniority are subsidizing those with high seniority. If you never move-on from a regional, you never get your market value. Nor if you come to the industry late. Mid-forties military hires will be subsizing those on top of the list for their entire career. Those that die young tragically never get a true-up. Imagine what your value is if your airline liquidated... Happiness is a state of mind, but nobody likes paying for somebody else's boat..
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Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2856900)
Welcome to the airline industry. It’s called seniority and that’s what you choose to sign up for with complete transparency. This would be my only gripe about this industry, coming from a life where my personal abilities and effort rewarded me with far more compensation than my peers. But now I get to laugh at my peers in this industry that choose to go the extra mile for the company because their number will never change. Happiness is still a state of mind, we all knew the rules before we agreed to play the game.
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I enjoy my job and where I am at. Beats the hell out of living under the sea for weeks and and months at a time. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2856828)
Unfortunately this isn’t something unique to the aviation industry. Once you move up to a major, you’ll be saying the same eventually. Happiness is all in your attitude towards life.
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 2857094)
That’s not what I hear from those at major/legacy airlines that I talk to. Night/day difference between regional flying and flying for a major. Regardless I work hard to diversify my income stream so that I don’t have to fly forever. I don’t want to be doing this beyond 58-60.
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It’s all perspective. It’s funny to see regional complaint threads exist when less than 15 years ago pilots would pay for training at their regional and then make $18 hour and < $40 an hour as a captain.
But yes, If you’re miserable at your regional, you’ll eventually be miserable at your major. I’d be willing to bet money on this based on years of observation. |
Originally Posted by Xjrstreetcar
(Post 2856855)
The way airline compensation works, those at the regionals are subsidizing those at the legacies. And those with low seniority are subsidizing those with high seniority.
In fact RJ pilot compensation is probably pretty similar to what Dan Roman got in the DC-4, accounting for inflation. It might even be better. That was how we got to where we are, but the mainline guys are DEFINITELY in the drivers seat. They wouldn't care if regional pilots got paid more, just not at THEIR expense. So they tolerate the whipsaw while at the same time negotiating for scope to limit the impact on their careers. That's not changing, major pilots are not going to expend negotiating capital to "save" the regional pilots, especially since there's a perception that the majority of them are younger noobs who might have a just a touch of entitlement to things they haven't earned. As a member of the lost gen, I can certainly relate and sympathize but I also need to make up for that lost decade financially and am in no mood whatsoever to cede any of my slice of the pie to somebody who soloed when I was teaching FO's to be RJ CA's. Any other discussion is wishful thinking... wish in one hand, poop in the other and see which one fills up first :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 2857124)
But yes, If you’re miserable at your regional, you’ll eventually be miserable
at your major. I’d be willing to bet money on this based on years of observation. My wife is actually noticeably happier with major schedules, so that's a win if nothing else. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2857148)
Sort of. Bigger planes generate (a lot) more revenue. The only way pilots justified very high pay was that in the dawn of the jet age the planes got larger... MUCH larger, so the pilots could rationalize that if they got A pay for flying B number of pax, they should get X pay for flying Y pax. Pilots actually didn't get paid much when they flew four engine radials with 30 pax.
In fact RJ pilot compensation is probably pretty similar to what Dan Roman got in the DC-4, accounting for inflation. It might even be better. That was how we got to where we are, but the mainline guys are DEFINITELY in the drivers seat. They wouldn't care if regional pilots got paid more, just not at THEIR expense. So they tolerate the whipsaw while at the same time negotiating for scope to limit the impact on their careers. That's not changing, major pilots are not going to expend negotiating capital to "save" the regional pilots, especially since there's a perception that the majority of them are younger noobs who might have a just a touch of entitlement to things they haven't earned. As a member of the lost gen, I can certainly relate and sympathize but I also need to make up for that lost decade financially and am in no mood whatsoever to cede any of my slice of the pie to somebody who soloed when I was teaching FO's to be RJ CA's. Any other discussion is wishful thinking... wish in one hand, poop in the other and see which one fills up first :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by rswitz
(Post 2855930)
Who is happy at their regional jobs? Anyone?
Curious. That's all. |
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