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jonnyjetprop 07-22-2019 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2857294)
Morale is highest the closer it’s been since the latest pay increase. Morale is lowest the closer it is to the next pay increase.

It’s even lower the closer you get to furlough. Just saying.....

deltajuliet 07-22-2019 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2857148)
Pilots actually didn't get paid much when they flew four engine radials with 30 pax.

In fact RJ pilot compensation is probably pretty similar to what Dan Roman got in the DC-4, accounting for inflation. It might even be better.

About once a year historical pay rates get brought up, and for some reason I’m always fascinated. I’ve read a little about compensation in the late 40’s and early 50’s, but a contextual reference like that sheds a lot of light.

You’re a knowledgeable guy, maybe you’d have an idea. Any thoughts as to what a Pan Am Captain might make on a Boeing 314 or first generation 747, adjusted for inflation?

rickair7777 07-23-2019 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2857574)
About once a year historical pay rates get brought up, and for some reason I’m always fascinated. I’ve read a little about compensation in the late 40’s and early 50’s, but a contextual reference like that sheds a lot of light.

You’re a knowledgeable guy, maybe you’d have an idea. Any thoughts as to what a Pan Am Captain might make on a Boeing 314 or first generation 747, adjusted for inflation?

314... no idea. I'm guessing not that much since it was all new back than and big bucks for labor will not happen until the business model starts generating a lot of revenue.


Early 747... that's the mile marker for when the jet age had arrived in force. Also about the time that pilots started making really big bank (because airlines could afford it). Those guys could have gotten paid more than we do today (adjusted for inflation). Pilot pay peaked 60's - 90's, although it's back on the rise.

My sense is that the industry was pretty hard-scrabble in the early days and then got a little better in the 30's and 40's as pilots got unions. Money was secondary, the unions were initially about safety and schedules.

50's and 60's got better yet, and then off to races when the jets took over and business expanded.

tomgoodman 07-23-2019 07:22 AM

Hourly pay was modest in those early days, but it was supplemented by passenger tributes and offerings to His Airworthiness. :D

deltajuliet 07-23-2019 11:40 AM

Cool info, thanks.

Simpsons 07-23-2019 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by GoFaster (Post 2855963)
I’ve worked manual labor, desk jobs, turned wrenches... all for a much lower hourly rate than working as a pilot at a regional. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to make more and I think we should. But I got a sign-on bonus, make enough to pay the bills, drive 20 minutes to work and fly airplanes for a living. People complain too much about this job. It is what it is - a means to an end and it’s a lot of fun... significantly better than digging ditches. You can be more than happy if you want, or miserable too. Lots of people in both camps from my experience. As with most things in life, 90% is perspective.


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I’ve always said exactly this. So many pilots lack any sort of perspective and have never worked crappy jobs. Talk to some people and you’d think being a pilot is the worst job there is. I’d love to be making more money and think we all deserve more money, but come on

EFBprobs 07-23-2019 06:27 PM

I got hired at 22 at skywest and am a captain at 25 years old. I do commute to an average line but all things considered its a pretty good time. The people you work with will make or break your experience.

badflaps 07-23-2019 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2857713)
314... no idea. I'm guessing not that much since it was all new back than and big bucks for labor will not happen until the business model starts generating a lot of revenue.


Early 747... that's the mile marker for when the jet age had arrived in force. Also about the time that pilots started making really big bank (because airlines could afford it). Those guys could have gotten paid more than we do today (adjusted for inflation). Pilot pay peaked 60's - 90's, although it's back on the rise.

My sense is that the industry was pretty hard-scrabble in the early days and then got a little better in the 30's and 40's as pilots got unions. Money was secondary, the unions were initially about safety and schedule.
50's and 60's got better yet, and then off to races when the jets took over and business expanded.

CV-880 F/E paid $1000. a month, CV-440 F/O $800. in 1966. Not bad for the time.

rickair7777 07-24-2019 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2858075)
CV-880 F/E paid $1000. a month, CV-440 F/O $800. in 1966. Not bad for the time.

$75-95k in today's dollars. Not bad, but not huge bank either. But context matters... was that entry level, or did you need years of experience just to get there?

BobZ 07-24-2019 05:44 PM

I recall erly 70s Flying Tigers top pay reported around $125K.


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