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JoeyMeatballs 05-02-2007 02:23 PM

Most of the CA's I have been flying with are noticing this trend..................They say the FO's with the lowest amount of time usually have the most arrogance to them.................funny I thought they would be the most humble of them all

Korean1DR 05-02-2007 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 159071)
Most of the CA's I have been flying with are noticing this trend..................They say the FO's with the lowest amount of time usually have the most arrogance to them.................funny I thought they would be the most humble of them all

Exactly... I have spoken with SEVERAL captains that have said the exact same thing... one of them was even an OE captain...

cbire880 05-02-2007 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 159071)
Most of the CA's I have been flying with are noticing this trend..................They say the FO's with the lowest amount of time usually have the most arrogance to them.................funny I thought they would be the most humble of them all

Well that makes sense. Most (not all) 300tt guys haven't been scared in the airplane yet. They still feel pretty invincible and act like they are hot ****. A couple hundred hours preventing students from killing you or praying your 135 check runner holds together in the ice will educate you on your own mortality. I know I did some pretty stupid things when I was first flying for cash.

captchris 05-02-2007 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 159100)
Well that makes sense. Most (not all) 300tt guys haven't been scared in the airplane yet. They still feel pretty invincible and act like they are hot ****. A couple hundred hours preventing students from killing you or praying your 135 check runner holds together in the ice will educate you on your own mortality. I know I did some pretty stupid things when I was first flying for cash.

Check hauling made me respect airplanes.... enough said. As for ATL---the $160 is what it is (******* Kit Darby). I don't agree with it... but at the same time, I'm sure they're not doing any kind of sim test in ATL (which if you go to our HQ in ATW you are pos. space to MKE, rent a car, drive to ATW, sim prep+hotel... its an expensive trip). The most technical question I got during my interview was "What kind of engine does the C-402 have on it? How much HP?" And I could've said... Its a Toro FX305-16, 300hp/side, and ran on peanut oil and I don't think anyone would've known the difference.

Its more of a get to know you deal. ATL would be sweet cause you can compare AWAC vs. Eagle vs. Skywest etc. I'd be all over it if I was looking just getting into 121.

Ellen 05-02-2007 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 159071)
Most of the CA's I have been flying with are noticing this trend..................They say the FO's with the lowest amount of time usually have the most arrogance to them.................funny I thought they would be the most humble of them all

LOL!!!! Too true. Talk to any CA and most will say that.

"Of course I know everything, says the young FO to his CA as he is filling out his logbook at 38,000 feet making sure he enters the .1 IMC he got during the climb out. I'll be sitting over on your side in a few short months. I'm so great!"

Throw up City!

mregan 05-02-2007 07:39 PM

Great thank you Captchris...how long have you been w/ AWAC? What are a couple positives / negatives and also, I live in Boston, was wondering how commuting would be if i got PHL or DCA base?

bizzum 05-02-2007 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by mregan (Post 159271)
Great thank you Captchris...how long have you been w/ AWAC? What are a couple positives / negatives and also, I live in Boston, was wondering how commuting would be if i got PHL or DCA base?

A guy in my AWAC class commutes to PHL from BOS and says its SUPER easy. Worst case is he goes to DCA and catches the hourly shuttle up there.

saab2000 05-02-2007 09:17 PM

BOS to PHL or DCA would be an easy commute. MHT is also close by and also has frequent flights to PHL and DCA.

captchris 05-03-2007 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by mregan (Post 159271)
Great thank you Captchris...how long have you been w/ AWAC? What are a couple positives / negatives and also, I live in Boston, was wondering how commuting would be if i got PHL or DCA base?

A guy in my class is a BOS-DCA commuter as well---no problems at all. Check www.passrider.com and look at the number of flights, airlines, etc.

I've been at AWAC coming up on a year.... positives---great pilot group, good contract, and for now a stable company. Negatives---for me.. it was a long sit on RSV, and no movement for a while. When I was hired we had 808 pilots, and now we have 698. We were beefed up pretty good there for a while...probably in anticipation of winning the Midwest flying. So we went several months with no upgrades, new hires, etc. while we trimmed some fat. Now--we're losing about 20-30 guys a month which works out to 2.9-4% of our entire pilot group every month. Hiring 14/mo. indefinately...so things are moving again. Do a search on here and you'll find plenty of talk about AWAC!

rickair7777 05-03-2007 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 158832)
My old flight school can barely hold on to CFI's for 6 months. They're leaving for regionals on a monthly basis. The funny thing is, a CFI there makes more than an FO at any regional.


But he probably works his @ss off. I made over $50K as a senior MEI, but I couldn't wait to get out of that pressure cooker.


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