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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 2917200)
I have an aviation degree. Again, you need to go to the right school. Apply to a dozen and see how much financial aid each offers. Somebody going to riddle, taking on 180,000 in student loans with no way to pay them off is not a smart way to go to college.
Going to a state school, preferably one in your state, taking out federal student loans which offer much greater deferment and repayment flexibility, and either dual majoring or have some kind of non-flying backup plan is much lower risk. Your comment is like saying digging ditches is impossible because you saw someone try to do it using a spoon. Your example is someone who went about college in a tremendously foolish way. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2917172)
I'm curious, what do you think the reality of college debt is?
This is an FO I flew with recently, with an aviation degree. https://i.ibb.co/bF18rPQ/college-debt.jpg Total debt due: $445,905 |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2917188)
The 11% is due to default when their first regional went TU. The issue is that that debt should have been shed in a personal bankruptcy.
Most college grads are broke and unemployed by definition. If given a choice between getting whatever job they could and starting the long grind of paying off loans OR just filing BK right away, you know what most would do. The BK would be off their record before age 30. End result of that would be mass defaults and no more unsecured loans, so those who need it most would be shut out.
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2917188)
This is what your debt load might look like if you participate in one of the Legacy college hiring programs, and the industry has a hiccup.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2917271)
They don't allow people to BK college loans for very, very good reason... it allows unsecured school loans.
Most college grads are broke and unemployed by definition. If given a choice between getting whatever job they could and starting the long grind of paying off loans OR just filing BK right away, you know what most would do. The BK would be off their record before age 30. End result of that would be mass defaults and no more unsecured loans, so those who need it most would be shut out. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2917343)
Yeah, predatory lending is the norm these days, negative interest rates here we come.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2917188)
The 11% is due to default when their first regional went TU. The issue is that that debt should have been shed in a personal bankruptcy.
This is what your debt load might look like if you participate in one of the Legacy college hiring programs, and the industry has a hiccup. |
Originally Posted by sflpilot
(Post 2917564)
I tried to explain these facts to them on that thread, but I eventually gave up because no one would listen. The only caveat is that those loans would be bankruptable. Still no job at the big six, but also the debt would be gone.
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Originally Posted by sflpilot
(Post 2917564)
The only caveat is that those loans would be bankruptable. Still no job at the big six, but also the debt would be gone.
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
(Post 2918151)
Really? I didn’t think you could discharge any student debt anymore, federal, or private.
If it's a loan arranged by a business (ie an airline) to train future employees, that might not be structured as a student loan. |
Just to minimize speculation, this link has the numbers:
https://www.valuepenguin.com/student...ost-of-college To summarize: Public 2 yr public 4 yr public out of state Private Tuition $3,570 $9,970 $25,620 $34,740 This is the average annual tuition across the country, not including anything else. The link also has a graph that compares average tuition over the years, showing a steep increase, but it doesn't say whether the dollars have been adjusted to present-day to account for inflation (I'd assume they are, based on prior research, but not gonna dig it back up). In my personal experience, a lot of kids thought any degree would be a free ride and in high school and college the value of the trades were greatly diminished. As a civil engineer it was pretty normal to meet a plumber or electrician who was making more than me and quite honestly, I thought their jobs required more critical thinking than most of the non-engineering classes I took in college (I do a lot of my own electrical and plumbing). But I digress... |
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