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There is nothing more annoying than a 700hr wonder know it all. As long as you
dont behave like one, you be awright.

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Originally Posted by blcampbell (Post 163092)

As some would say, I am on of those low time pilots who don’t deserve to be in the cockpit of anything with more than two blades pulling it (and some would dispute even that) 750TT/60. I understand that this is a common thought among the more experienced guys, and maybe it should be; that's not my question.

My question is how bad is this pouring over into the CRM and the social aspect of things on the job? I was talking to one of the examiners here recently and he told me that one of the CFI's from another University is about to quit his newly acquired airline job because everyone hates him because he was so low time at hire. It could be distorted and he just sucks as a person....I have no idea. He complains of things like; The crew goes out to eat...the FO isn't invited. I am just wondering, has anyone seen the "screw the newbie" attitude reflected in the cockpit and on overnights? I'm sure people think it, but are they acting on it? If I do get the job that I am actively seeking am I going to be unanimously hated by everyone because I have three digits worth of flight time at hire instead of four or five?

Do you happen to know what airline this guy is flying for?

I dont think he is alienated because of his hours. It is more than likely one or many of his personal characteristics and he would have been disliked regardless of hours

I have seen low timers (like myself) get in trouble when they start complaining about the pay, and that fact that they have to sit reserve for three months. When most of the captains that we fly with had 700 hours they were still flying cargo or instructing, and glad to be building time. When we low timers complain about the fact that we're flying a 50 pax jet with for 20k a year it grates on them. They feel like we've overstepped the rite of passage of icing up over the great lakes and almost killing ourselves in the process. Truthfully the wages that we are paid are tough to live on, but I could still be a CFI racking up hours 90% slower than I am now.

I think the best thing to do for any new hire, low time or not, is to keep your mouth shut and your mind open.

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Originally Posted by cyrcadian (Post 163282)

I think the best thing to do for any new hire, low time or not, is to keep your mouth shut and your mind open.

Well said.

blcampbell-

Do not let any of the rumors and hear say get to you. We all have to start somewhere and at some time. There are some where I work that are complaining about the possibility of flying with some low time pilots, but that is part of the job. They are lazy and want to work as little as possible. I have flown with 500 hr guys as a new captain and it was some work as I was a bit more alert, but nothing bad has happened that I couldn't control.

As someone mentioned above, show up, do your best, and if time comes up, be honest. Good luck at your new job/career.

Social Banishment

Low time goes away. The mark of being a scab lasts longer but eventually subsides as the claimed eventually advance into management, union leadership or to whatever their other career goals are. :)

Its a good idea to stay away from your co-workers anyway. The FA only wants to trash your reputation and steal your wallet. The captains aim is to make you an accomplice so he can drink and party without fear of you reporting him.

SkyHigh

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 163289)

Its a good idea to stay away from your co-workers anyway. The FA only wants to trash your reputation and steal your wallet. The captains aim is to make you an accomplice so he can drink and party without fear of you reporting him.

SkyHigh

Generalize much? :)

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Originally Posted by blcampbell (Post 163092)

I am just wondering, has anyone seen the "screw the newbie" attitude reflected in the cockpit and on overnights? I'm sure people think it, but are they acting on it? If I do get the job that I am actively seeking am I going to be unanimously hated by everyone because I have three digits worth of flight time at hire instead of four or five?

Don't worry about it. Not knowing your friend it's hard to say but I would guess that it is more to do with some underlying social issues that he has as opposed to his times that cause him to be shunned by his fellow crew members. You never know, it could even be something as simple as smelling bad or constantly farting in the cockpit.;) I once flew with a CA who had gas issues and I wasn't exactly thinking "I can't wait to get on the ground so I can go out and have a drink with this guy..." Some of my flight school buddies went the "low time" route and never had a problem with the vast majority of CAs they flew with. Sure, you're always going to have the occasional nasty CA but that can and will happen regardless of your times. I've personally only flown with one captain who has complained to me about the "low timers".

If you're lucky enough to be hired with "low time" be modest, well prepared, safe and always be open to learn and you will be fine.

wolf