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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:09 AM
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2 1/2 years off the street, currently at a regional, accepted offer at a Legacy carrier. Times are amazing compared to 10 years ago, the 90's, and even the 80's. Wasn't long ago you had to put in 10 to 15 years and 5000 hours at a regional to move up to a Legacy. Now, seeing many of us with just 2 years in the industry, committing a year or two in at a regional, and moving up to the majors with job offers.


Anyone else seeing similar cockpit social-industry behavior lately such as: 7 to 15 year captains at regional with chip on their shoulder after being turned down by major and are "stuck". Some don't have 4-year degrees and a few have 'a record' or 'history', but got hired on with a regional in the late 90's, or early 2000's. 10 to 15 years (some 20+) at a regional, and are hoping for that break they've waited for all their life. But now, new-hire FO's in the right seat, with 4-year degrees, positive attitudes, are moving on to the majors.


It has to be bitter-sweet for the guys at the majors as well knowing what they sacrificed years ago to get to where they are. But now witnessing first-hand 2-year regional FO's flowing to the majors. Not long ago, when flying turboprops at Mesaba, Great Lakes, ASA, Comair, etc, for $15,000 a year. Pay-For-Training was rampant. I grossed $103,000 as a new hire regional FO last year. Amazing.


Is it just me? Or, anyone seeing similar socioeconomic behavior out in the field? Interesting Times, Bitterness, & Success.
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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky
2 1/2 years off the street, currently at a regional, accepted offer at a Legacy carrier. Times are amazing compared to 10 years ago, the 90's, and even the 80's. Wasn't long ago you had to put in 10 to 15 years and 5000 hours at a regional to move up to a Legacy. Now, seeing many of us with just 2 years in the industry, committing a year or two in at a regional, and moving up to the majors with job offers.


Anyone else seeing similar cockpit social-industry behavior lately such as: 7 to 15 year captains at regional with chip on their shoulder after being turned down by major and are "stuck". Some don't have 4-year degrees and a few have 'a record' or 'history', but got hired on with a regional in the late 90's, or early 2000's. 10 to 15 years (some 20+) at a regional, and are hoping for that break they've waited for all their life. But now, new-hire FO's in the right seat, with 4-year degrees, positive attitudes, are moving on to the majors.


It has to be bitter-sweet for the guys at the majors as well knowing what they sacrificed years ago to get to where they are. But now witnessing first-hand 2-year regional FO's flowing to the majors. Not long ago, when flying turboprops at Mesaba, Great Lakes, ASA, Comair, etc, for $15,000 a year. Pay-For-Training was rampant. I grossed $103,000 as a new hire regional FO last year. Amazing.


Is it just me? Or, anyone seeing similar socioeconomic behavior out in the field? Interesting Times, Bitterness, & Success.
sure, underscored by newbies so smart they misspell a word in a screen name......twice
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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifi
sure, underscored by newbies so smart they misspell a word in a screen name......twice
If you're going to take the time to post a childish ad hominem reaction, you should probably make sure you're correct.
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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifi
sure, underscored by newbies so smart they misspell a word in a screen name......twice
Ey and y at the end of whiskey is interchangable.

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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SevereClear1
Ey and y at the end of whiskey is interchangable.

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As evidenced by a bottle of George Dickel.
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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifi
sure, underscored by newbies so smart they misspell a word in a screen name......twice
Who's the smart one now? See, that 4-year degree goes a long ways for you Regional Lifers.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joemica.../#71754eb67561
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Old 02-07-2020 | 11:55 AM
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As an 8 year RJ guy with a degree I think you probably networked hard and got a little lucky. Instead of coming on here and writing this post how about pay it forward and try to drag as many qualified friends, acquaintances, and co-workers with you by writing letters of recommendation.
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Old 02-07-2020 | 12:22 PM
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Congratulations... but what’s really the point of this post? I’m sure you worked hard to get that offer but understand that timing is everything in this industry. Be humble and grateful for that opportunity. It’s shows a lack of character to talk down on other pilots in this industry but unfortunately you’ll fit right in with some mainline pilots with that attitude.
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Old 02-07-2020 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by N1CEandEZ
Congratulations... but what’s really the point of this post? I’m sure you worked hard to get that offer but understand that timing is everything in this industry. Be humble and grateful for that opportunity. It’s a lack of character to talk down on other pilots in this industry but unfortunately you’ll fit right in with some mainline pilots with that attitude.
A smarmy ********* humble bragging about getting lucky?
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Old 02-07-2020 | 03:18 PM
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"Quick! Pull up the ladder!"

How about a little humility? Those bitter, stagnant captains each represent one more open seat at mainline for the child prodigies like yourself.
good times indeed but no need to rub salt in the wounds
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