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Otterbox 03-06-2020 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by 86BravoPapa (Post 2990832)
Anyone with upcoming interviews considering delaying due to THEE virus? Two thoughts come to mind: 1) Travel and obvious risk of contracting the virus. Not likely a big deal if you're young(er). 2) Air travel 'blows up' until we finally get a light at the end of the tunnel and, meanwhile; interview, receive an offer/start date then get postponed, furloughed, whatever, with the hope you can return to your previous job.

Anyone already at the airlines with insights about the projected impact at your company would be great. Although the dynamics are changing so rapidly, at this point, who really knows the ramifications, tomorrow, in a week, in 2021...

Go to an AA Wholly Owned regional. AA will have the largest demand for hiring pilots for due to retirements. If hiring needs shrink to say one class per month vice the current two, but don’t stop, AA WO flows will take upto 75% of those classes depending on size in accordance with the flow through agreements at each of the three regionals. If AA stops hiring all together then you’re in the same boat as everyone else.

greatmovieistar 03-07-2020 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2990896)
Go to an AA Wholly Owned regional. AA will have the largest demand for hiring pilots for due to retirements. If hiring needs shrink to say one class per month vice the current two, but don’t stop, AA WO flows will take upto 75% of those classes depending on size in accordance with the flow through agreements at each of the three regionals. If AA stops hiring all together then you’re in the same boat as everyone else.

Are you kidding me? You "go to a AA wholly Regional" guys are something else. You just answered a question he didn't even ask but yet feel a need to interject yourselves into every thread. But yeah, go to an AA wholly Regional if you love low pay, horrible QOL, and management who has no incentive to fix any of it because they have bonuses to sucker you in and flow to string you along keep you there.

KCaviator 03-07-2020 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2990896)
Go to an AA Wholly Owned regional. AA will have the largest demand for hiring pilots for due to retirements. If hiring needs shrink to say one class per month vice the current two, but don’t stop, AA WO flows will take upto 75% of those classes depending on size in accordance with the flow through agreements at each of the three regionals. If AA stops hiring all together then you’re in the same boat as everyone else.

Except for the fact that you’d be stuck at, say, Envoy with subpar pay and work rules. Now is a better time than ever to NOT go somewhere with flow.

DoSomePilotStuf 03-07-2020 12:24 PM

Delaying Interviews
 

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2990896)
Go to an AA Wholly Owned regional. AA will have the largest demand for hiring pilots for due to retirements. If hiring needs shrink to say one class per month vice the current two, but don’t stop, AA WO flows will take upto 75% of those classes depending on size in accordance with the flow through agreements at each of the three regionals. If AA stops hiring all together then you’re in the same boat as everyone else.



The flip side is that at an AA WO you are far more likely to be furloughed than at any other carrier if things get bad enough. If AA cuts domestic flying and starts furloughs the WO regionals could actually be the first flying cut. Other regionals have contracts. Those contracts must be paid whether the flying occurs or not. Totally different at a WO. If you don’t believe me research it a bit.

Meep 03-07-2020 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2991510)
The flip side is that at an AA WO you are far more likely to be furloughed than at any other carrier if things get bad enough. If AA cuts domestic flying and starts furloughs the WO regionals could actually be the first flying cut. Other regionals have contracts. Those contracts must be paid whether the flying occurs or not. Totally different at a WO. If you don’t believe me research it a bit.

But......FLOW!!!!!!!

Jdub2 03-08-2020 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by greatmovieistar (Post 2991260)
Are you kidding me? You "go to a AA wholly Regional" guys are something else. You just answered a question he didn't even ask but yet feel a need to interject yourselves into every thread. But yeah, go to an AA wholly Regional if you love low pay, horrible QOL, and management who has no incentive to fix any of it because they have bonuses to sucker you in and flow to string you along keep you there.

$50 an hour 1st year FO, $86 an hour 3rd year captain. Sap gives round one line holders total control over their schedule. It’s not sunshine and roses but it’s not what you’re painting either.

Edit to not double post: More than half of our attrition is outside the flow, so they are incentivized to keep us.

Otterbox 03-08-2020 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by KCaviator (Post 2991484)
Except for the fact that you’d be stuck at, say, Envoy with subpar pay and work rules. Now is a better time than ever to NOT go somewhere with flow.

There are downsides to every company. The most recent Republic pilot picked up by AA was there 14 years, while the most recent AA flows have been on property under five years. In job field where every month delay costs $25k at the tail end of your career, it can mean Millions in lost earning going to a place that’s difficult to escape from once you’ve been on property for a while.

With AAs retirements, AA will be hiring more, and longer than than the other majors even during times of uncertainty like now. If hiring does happen to stop, AA will start hiring sooner also (AA started hiring well before it’s legacy competition at the end of the lost decade). Either way the AA flows will be the last to have the legacy hiring door shut on them and the first that it opens for.

sanicom3205 03-08-2020 09:13 AM

The repugnant mafia is out thick today! Enjoys those shiny RJs fellas. Maybe deny some jumpseats and you can really have yourself a ball!

sanicom3205 03-08-2020 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf (Post 2991510)
The flip side is that at an AA WO you are far more likely to be furloughed than at any other carrier if things get bad enough. If AA cuts domestic flying and starts furloughs the WO regionals could actually be the first flying cut. Other regionals have contracts. Those contracts must be paid whether the flying occurs or not. Totally different at a WO. If you don’t believe me research it a bit.


If flying gets cut that deeply, you think they're going to park all the RJs that they outright own in the desert for tons of money, versus declaring bankruptcy and voiding your contracts and letting your company deal with parking them?

DoSomePilotStuf 03-08-2020 11:54 AM

Delaying Interviews
 

Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 2991974)
If flying gets cut that deeply, you think they're going to park all the RJs that they outright own in the desert for tons of money, versus declaring bankruptcy and voiding your contracts and letting your company deal with parking them?


You do realize AA was gasping for air while the other guys were making billions right?

And I’m just saying that’s what has been done in the past. It’s much easier to “right-size” your own operations than declare bankruptcy just to escape a contract with a regional partner. How is declaring bankruptcy more logical?


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