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Aldo Raine 05-09-2020 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3052361)

Now, THAT is funny!

rickair7777 05-09-2020 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Aldo Raine (Post 3052489)
Now, THAT is funny!

Leave it to the CZ alumni.

Cyio 05-09-2020 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3052512)
Leave it to the CZ alumni.

I miss them all already.

Cujo665 05-09-2020 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3052358)
Not quite that easy, all US airlifters have tactical roles and missions, in addition to hauling pallets from A to B. AARF, expeditionary operations, paratroop ops, etc.

The plane flys differently how exactly during those type of flights?

ZeroTT 05-09-2020 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3052524)
The plane flys differently how exactly during those type of flights?

military paratroop ops no different from mesa’s

rickair7777 05-09-2020 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3052524)
The plane flys differently how exactly during those type of flights?

Lots of stuff going on, formation night paratroop insertion at tree-top level on googles?

In war you might have fighter and ground based air defenses to deal with. In training you definitely will.

Not saying RJ drivers can't do it, some can, but they really need to attend the whole training pipeline. If there was a big war on and we had more planes than pilots, sure it would be just like WW-II, put on a new uniform and off you go. But that's not where we're at.

trip 05-09-2020 05:11 PM

Sounds like the MIL needs to make more officers/managers then and stop saying there's a "pilot" shortage, or can only winged officers do the war planning and managing billet? Maybe the pilot slot is the carrot to keep mid-level officers around to do the managing?

rickair7777 05-09-2020 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3052627)
Sounds like the MIL needs to make more officers/managers then and stop saying there's a "pilot" shortage, or can only winged officers do the war planning and managing billet?

No they don't need to do that, it would be very bad. The US military has very few "professional staff officers", for very good reason.

All warfare specialties need to be well-presented at higher HQ's. That's why our military is the premier joint combat force in the world... we don't stovepipe warfighters in peace and then expect (hope) they can work together in war. And those are hard lessons learned. This is all fundamental Joint Warfare 101 stuff.

Also each community needs upper managers/combat leaders who have the experience and credibility to lead in war.


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3052627)
Maybe the pilot slot is the carrot to keep mid-level officers around to do the managing?

It has always served that function, although not by design. Exception is the army where aviation is a supporting function, not the primary means of power-projection.

The first 10-15 years of your career is primarily operational, with some staff tours to educate you for later on.

The last 10-15 years of your career is primarily staff with a few top leadership jobs if you're lucky/motivated/talented.

After 25-30 years of that you're eligible for possible promotion to flag or general rank.

Anyone who thinks warfighters should be lead by career staff officers deserves to fight a war under their command :rolleyes:

If you want to join the military without doing any of the real world big-picture military stuff, join the guard. You can maybe get to 20 without doing a HQ staff tour.

nate5ks 05-09-2020 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3052627)
Sounds like the MIL needs to make more officers/managers then and stop saying there's a "pilot" shortage, or can only winged officers do the war planning and managing billet? Maybe the pilot slot is the carrot to keep mid-level officers around to do the managing?

Look at the CBP AIA thread under “Military” to see some of the frustration expressed by pilots who are managed by non-pilots. It would be difficult to take orders from anyone who has no idea what your job entails.

WheresHomeAgain 05-09-2020 09:40 PM

ATLAS apparently just passed a new contract. Just wow. I can't find rubber dog **** at any of my local stores because hoarders keep buying it all up.


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