wow sorry to hear. out of curiosity how far back is that DOH? APC only shows 404 total pilots, sad all the way around

Their thread said 7/22 DOH

The majors are waiting to see what the stimulus package holds for them. If they get something, they will also probably ask for
concessions from the workforce to get them through until at least end of August. By then they will have an understanding of how quickly
things are likely to bounce back, depending on things like if the virus is still spreading, how deep of a depression the country is in and how many
people are out of work. Then they will decide how many they will have to furlough to make it through the next few years of a downturn.

Reginals on the other hand aren’t getting much if anything and that is why you can expect to see high numbers of furloughs in the coming weeks. Then as demand starts to return next year, recalls will likely happen beginning of the year.

wow, that’s over half their list!

I can't wrap my head around this: other than limitations from scope, why would the majors not max out their small aircraft flying? The more you fill up a plane the better right? So since demand is lowered, wouldn't you want to reduce seats on a route by using smaller aircraft? Not to mention cheaper labor...

I would not say Italy is on the other side of the curve. They just had their second day where new cases reported were less than the previous day about a week and a half after ordering all restaurants to be shut down in their quarantine. Social distancing and quarantines do work. Hopefully they can keep the quarantine long enough to sort everything out and contain the spread, but there is no "herd immunity." If they lift the quarantine too soon the virus will take right off again.


NYC is most definitely getting worse, as is the rest of the US. The population has to be quarantined until everyone with the virus can be identified and the infected populations can be properly contained. If we take the quarantines seriously, stay home as much as possible, prevent the spread, and shrink the number of infected people and places to something that is known and manageable, this can all be over in a month or two. If we half-ass the quarantine though we'll likely end up with both a highly deadly pandemic that affects just about everybody on top of another GDP-pounding quarantine while we're still hurting from this quarantine.

because they can reduce frequency and fly to a city once or twice a day on a 120 seat jet rather then 4-5 times a day on a 50 seat jet.

I’m guessing fixed vs variable costs. Until you furlough, everything but fuel and per cycle (landing fees and some mx) costs are fixed. They don’t get to quit paying the lease or salaries, so might as well fly anyway with as cheap as gas is right now.

Its also likely that a mainline furlough, while eventually saving way more money, has much higher short term costs with all the training events generated by both the furlough and the eventual re-hire. Single fleet airline would be much cheaper to furlough short term, especially if PICs are right seat qualified.

Tpinks guaranteed there wouldn’t be any furloughs, so never.

This is incorrect. I'm still trying to get the final number, but it is somewhere around 80-85. Please don't spread false information.