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rickair7777 05-08-2020 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by FutureMajor8 (Post 3051671)
Are the regionals going to fare better than the legacies? There might be a mass furlough as some of the regionals as well. Didn’t Skywest lose like 55 RJs?

Historically some regionals have done better than the majors (and a few have done worse, and a few have liquidated).

flyfast2u 05-08-2020 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3051606)

Even with a bad economy many or most of us should be able to find local work that pays at least as much as regionals, and still be home every night.



I think that that is being overly optimistic...... I wouldn't just call this a " bad economy ".

unless you already have some history in a skill or trade.

FutureMajor8 05-08-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3051675)
Historically some regionals have done better than the majors (and a few have done worse, and a few have liquidated).

How do you think the wholly owned will whether this?

rickair7777 05-08-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by FutureMajor8 (Post 3051708)
How do you think the wholly owned will whether this?

100% depends on AA, and I have no way of knowing. Some of their guys think they won't furlough, others think they're going to furlough 100% of the pilot group. Need to see how the economy and travel bookings shape up over the summer to even guess.

Worst case, a vastly smaller AA will still need regional feed, but it might not need the capacity and overhead of multiple WO's.

Majors are fairly predictable in a downturn (unless it comes to liquidation). Furlough X% for 2-6 years, gut contracts in BK, and in ten years you can almost forget it never happened.

Regionals' fates can run the gamut, all depends on partners, business model, and contracts (and luck/timing with contract expiration). Some regionals can make out and actually grow, others will go away (some already have, maybe they've already met the quota).

FutureMajor8 05-08-2020 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3051907)
100% depends on AA, and I have no way of knowing. Some of their guys think they won't furlough, others think they're going to furlough 100% of the pilot group. Need to see how the economy and travel bookings shape up over the summer to even guess.

Worst case, a vastly smaller AA will still need regional feed, but it might not need the capacity and overhead of multiple WO's.

Majors are fairly predictable in a downturn (unless it comes to liquidation). Furlough X% for 2-6 years, gut contracts in BK, and in ten years you can almost forget it never happened.

Regionals' fates can run the gamut, all depends on partners, business model, and contracts (and luck/timing with contract expiration). Some regionals can make out and actually grow, others will go away (some already have, maybe they've already met the quota).

What about Endeavor? Historically Delta hasn't favored their wholly owns. Then there's Expressjet which I guess isn't technically a wholly owned.

saltbae 05-09-2020 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Nemack85 (Post 3049979)
I just got out of ATP flight school 😭 got all the certs, worked my ass off the entire year to make sure not to fail a checkride, ended up with a 80k student loan at 9% interest ! Im a flight attendant for American Airlines I guess till end of September and I’m literally just time building , so paying out of pocket to at least get to 500 hours, went to 10 different flight school and no one even called me back for a cfi interview, Thanks for thinking of ppl like me
im so afraid I’ll go broke

Did you apply to Embry Riddle? They have 1200 students and I know they just hired 30 instructors

rickair7777 05-09-2020 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by FutureMajor8 (Post 3052027)
What about Endeavor? Historically Delta hasn't favored their wholly owns. Then there's Expressjet which I guess isn't technically a wholly owned.

To even try to guess you'd need to know the status of their contracts, who owns their planes, etc. How much can the contracts be cut (they usually have a hard floor, with optional flying mutually agreed on in good times)? When do they expire?

XJT has another dynamic to consider... their pilot group has a long history of being a thorn in the side of whoever owns them. On one hand, as a pilot you have to give them kudos for sticking up for themselves. On the other hand, they may have already self-selected as the next COMAIR... the regional game tends to pick off the leaders of the pack (or those who want to be).

Nemack85 05-11-2020 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by saltbae (Post 3052195)
Did you apply to Embry Riddle? They have 1200 students and I know they just hired 30 instructors

ill check that out today, thanks 🙏

DBono 05-11-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3052293)
XJT has another dynamic to consider... their pilot group has a long history of being a thorn in the side of whoever owns them.

Quite the broad brush, and I'm not saying it's wrong, and perception does drive reality to some extent, but I'm curious about how long of a history you are thinking of here.

So the combined ASA/XJT under SkyWest..... Can you blame them for being a thorn in the side of SkyWest?

What about ASA under SkyWest before the XJT merger? ASA under Delta? XJT before the merger?

rickair7777 05-11-2020 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by DBono (Post 3053464)
Quite the broad brush, and I'm not saying it's wrong, and perception does drive reality to some extent, but I'm curious about how long of a history you are thinking of here.

So the combined ASA/XJT under SkyWest..... Can you blame them for being a thorn in the side of SkyWest?

What about ASA under SkyWest before the XJT merger? ASA under Delta? XJT before the merger?

I don't blame them at all, you have to respect them. All of that history, and more going back to COEX, is relevant to people's perceptions... and managers have perceptions too.

I was commenting on the baked-in futility of striving in the regional business. COMAIR is the case study.


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