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GA2Jets 06-30-2020 09:39 AM

It seems like Skywest is just absolutely crushing during all this. I know they are big but outsized even for them. Any ideas why?

Ciceda 06-30-2020 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3083387)
It seems like Skywest is just absolutely crushing during all this. I know they are big but outsized even for them. Any ideas why?

Same as always, by undercutting other carriers, benefiting from pattern bargaining and sacrifices by other union pilot groups, and by working hard to put other carriers out of business and their pilots on the street. ohh, and they be practically mainline.

GA2Jets 06-30-2020 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Ciceda (Post 3083395)
Same as always, by undercutting other carriers, benefiting from pattern bargaining and sacrifices by other union pilot groups, and by working hard to put other carriers out of business and their pilots on the street. ohh, and they be practically mainline.

Pattern bargaining?

uavking 06-30-2020 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3083402)
Pattern bargaining?

One work group in an industry negotiates gains, and successive work groups build off of that as a baseline. For example, UA's MEC gets a rate or quality of life point negotiated, and then DL goes for UA+ in their round.

UAW has a quick primer: https://uaw.org/pattern-bargaining/

threeighteen 06-30-2020 12:56 PM

Literally every union and non union shop does pattern bargaining. UA and DL do it all the time. Not somethhing to hold against SkyWest.

At least SkyWest didn't sign a concessionary contract to take planes from Envoy like ALPA did at PSA.

uavking 06-30-2020 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3083503)
Literally every union and non union shop does pattern bargaining. UA and DL do it all the time. Not somethhing to hold against SkyWest.

Considering that SkyWest uses being non-union as a selling point to recruits, it is fair to hold taking advantage of union pattern bargaining against them. St. George isn't giving their workers money out of the kindness of their hearts.

That ALPA pin isn't just a shiny piece of metal. It represents 90 years of hard fought gains for this profession.

mayanflyer 06-30-2020 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 3083586)
Considering that SkyWest uses being non-union as a selling point to recruits, it is fair to hold taking advantage of union pattern bargaining against them. St. George isn't giving their workers money out of the kindness of their hearts.

That ALPA pin isn't just a shiny piece of metal. It represents 90 years of hard fought gains for this profession.

Communist much? How about doing the job that was mutually agreed upon at the point of hire. Like yes I will do that job for that amount. Not, well I still do the same amount of work but you owe me more! SKYW grew to be the biggest out of free market principles. It’s unfortunate other regionals are in tight spots but it’s still the free market. Survival of the fittest! No one owes you anything. Work hard and get ahead. Don’t expect someone else to give you anything.
Unions represent 90 yrs of pitting employees against employers. How about you get in the same boat and mutually benefit. Your company doesn’t exist to offer you employment and a paycheck. Your company is in business to make a profit. They profit, you profit! Doubt my logic. Explain why SKYW is dominating the regional market right now. Numbers talk. Complaining about how the evil corporate bad man is keeping you down hasn’t done jack to help your situation.
Yes sir. I will fly for you if you offer me that amount.
Don’t you remember the agreement when you accepted the job.
Put your hands back in your pocket!

GA2Jets 06-30-2020 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by mayanflyer (Post 3083733)
Communist much? How about doing the job that was mutually agreed upon at the point of hire. Like yes I will do that job for that amount. Not, well I still do the same amount of work but you owe me more! SKYW grew to be the biggest out of free market principles. It’s unfortunate other regionals are in tight spots but it’s still the free market. Survival of the fittest! No one owes you anything. Work hard and get ahead. Don’t expect someone else to give you anything.
Unions represent 90 yrs of pitting employees against employers. How about you get in the same boat and mutually benefit. Your company doesn’t exist to offer you employment and a paycheck. Your company is in business to make a profit. They profit, you profit! Doubt my logic. Explain why SKYW is dominating the regional market right now. Numbers talk. Complaining about how the evil corporate bad man is keeping you down hasn’t done jack to help your situation.
Yes sir. I will fly for you if you offer me that amount.
Don’t you remember the agreement when you accepted the job.
Put your hands back in your pocket!

Your agreement with Skywest is a contract that benefits from unions hard work. In order to attract talent, they had to offer working conditions that were industry standard. The standard was fought for and created in large part by unions.

Your contract is a union contract. But you didn't have to work for it, pay for it, and you won't have to lose your job for it.

Ciceda 06-30-2020 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by mayanflyer (Post 3083733)
Communist much? How about doing the job that was mutually agreed upon at the point of hire. Like yes I will do that job for that amount. Not, well I still do the same amount of work but you owe me more! SKYW grew to be the biggest out of free market principles. It’s unfortunate other regionals are in tight spots but it’s still the free market. Survival of the fittest! No one owes you anything. Work hard and get ahead. Don’t expect someone else to give you anything.
Unions represent 90 yrs of pitting employees against employers. How about you get in the same boat and mutually benefit. Your company doesn’t exist to offer you employment and a paycheck. Your company is in business to make a profit. They profit, you profit! Doubt my logic. Explain why SKYW is dominating the regional market right now. Numbers talk. Complaining about how the evil corporate bad man is keeping you down hasn’t done jack to help your situation.
Yes sir. I will fly for you if you offer me that amount.
Don’t you remember the agreement when you accepted the job.
Put your hands back in your pocket!

Spoken like a true Gen Z'er fresh out of Riddle.

furloughfuntime 06-30-2020 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by mayanflyer (Post 3083733)
Communist much? How about doing the job that was mutually agreed upon at the point of hire. Like yes I will do that job for that amount. Not, well I still do the same amount of work but you owe me more! SKYW grew to be the biggest out of free market principles. It’s unfortunate other regionals are in tight spots but it’s still the free market. Survival of the fittest! No one owes you anything. Work hard and get ahead. Don’t expect someone else to give you anything.
Unions represent 90 yrs of pitting employees against employers. How about you get in the same boat and mutually benefit. Your company doesn’t exist to offer you employment and a paycheck. Your company is in business to make a profit. They profit, you profit! Doubt my logic. Explain why SKYW is dominating the regional market right now. Numbers talk. Complaining about how the evil corporate bad man is keeping you down hasn’t done jack to help your situation.
Yes sir. I will fly for you if you offer me that amount.
Don’t you remember the agreement when you accepted the job.
Put your hands back in your pocket!

spoken like someone who doesn't know the history of the American labor movement. It's scary how effectively brainwashed people are into acting against their own interests. Unions are an important weight in the balance of capitalism's market forces, and it makes the economy stronger in the long run.

anyone who thinks believing in unions is tantamount to communism is an idiot.


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