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dremaldent 07-18-2020 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3094799)
In years past they always managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat somehow and stay afloat. These are different times now and they have a product no one wants . They should have obtained new equipment years ago , reinvested in the company. Maybe too much too late now . Reactive instead of proactive.
There will be some carriers that fall by the wayside ,and a lot of shuffling within Uax. A lot of people will be surprised at who dosent survive the cut .

You know what I like doing on Friday nights? Sitting down with some bourbon and looking at the AW forums between 2000 and 2010 and seeing all the doomers saying that AWA will be done for in less than a year. It's like watching a prime time sitcom, but actually funny.

"Oh, but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT"

That's what they said the last 50 times they said the airline was done for this time... Nope, I'm not buying it until they actually close up shop.

GA2Jets 07-18-2020 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by dremaldent (Post 3094884)
You know what I like doing on Friday nights? Sitting down with some bourbon and looking at the AW forums between 2000 and 2010 and seeing all the doomers saying that AWA will be done for in less than a year. It's like watching a prime time sitcom, but actually funny.

"Oh, but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT"

That's what they said the last 50 times they said the airline was done for this time... Nope, I'm not buying it until they actually close up shop.

Exactly. I'm LOLing at the sudden perceived wisdom of the 550s. 😂 Like in an era where every penny needs to be squeezed, it's the low density, low range 50-seat-700 that will save UAX. The economics were weak then, and they are even worse now without lots of premium customers. There is definitely a niche it fills but the successor to the CRJ2 and 145? Please.

As long as there is a market from small towns to hubs, some 50 seaters will remain.

Paid2fly 07-18-2020 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by VisionWings (Post 3094659)
[

QUOTE=PeakEGT;3092997]XJT increasing 50% out of ORD (4 daily to 8).

i like percentages..

Sorry bud, but that’s a 200% increase. You know 2 times. If it was a 50% increase it would be 4 going to 6. You know.. 2 is 50% of 4?

but I like growth![/QUOTE]





















Don't quit your day job professor...

:confused: :eek:

pangolin 07-19-2020 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3094734)
I’ve heard pretty close to the same things stated here except that AA wants to shed Yv and give that flying to a WO.


The WO have scope and lift issues. YV will take seats out of the 900 to get under scope.

ReadOnly7 07-19-2020 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3095058)
The WO have scope and lift issues. YV will take seats out of the 900 to get under scope.

it’s not just a seat issue. It’s also a weight issue. I don’t know the weight of the 900, but it might not work even with seats taken out.

rickair7777 07-19-2020 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3095058)
The WO have scope and lift issues. YV will take seats out of the 900 to get under scope.


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3095105)
it’s not just a seat issue. It’s also a weight issue. I don’t know the weight of the 900, but it might not work even with seats taken out.

Most major scope is smarter than that. The weight limit is normally for CERTIFIED MTOW, in addition to seat count.

So removing seats and pax might get under the pax count but will not change the certified MTOW. Otherwise you could have mesa fly 777's full of belly cargo.

The 550 is an end-run around scope weight, but it required a new type certificate from the mfg. That could be done for the 900 but it would take time and money. Also I don't think it could fit under 50-seat scope at all... the empty weight would be very close to 50K without any payload on board.

idlethrust 07-19-2020 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by dremaldent (Post 3094884)
You know what I like doing on Friday nights? Sitting down with some bourbon and looking at the AW forums between 2000 and 2010 and seeing all the doomers saying that AWA will be done for in less than a year. It's like watching a prime time sitcom, but actually funny.

"Oh, but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT"

That's what they said the last 50 times they said the airline was done for this time... Nope, I'm not buying it until they actually close up shop.

You put too much faith in those people in atw.
One day you’ll show up and the doors in atw will be chained up , don’t put a 9mm to your head and pull the trigger .

terks43 07-19-2020 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3095126)
Most major scope is smarter than that. The weight limit is normally for CERTIFIED MTOW, in addition to seat count.

So removing seats and pax might get under the pax count but will not change the certified MTOW. Otherwise you could have mesa fly 777's full of belly cargo.

The 550 is an end-run around scope weight, but it required a new type certificate from the mfg. That could be done for the 900 but it would take time and money. Also I don't think it could fit under 50-seat scope at all... the empty weight would be very close to 50K without any payload on board.

The 900’s wouldn’t have to get to 50 seats, it would move to 65 seats just like the skywest 700’s are. And about the weight thing I don’t think Americans scope deals with weight, only seats so it really would be as simple as yanking seats out of the thing. No new type certificate required. But I 100% could have been misinformed on that.

GA2Jets 07-19-2020 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3095150)
You put too much faith in those people in atw.
One day you’ll show up and the doors in atw will be chained up , don’t put a 9mm to your head and pull the trigger .

It's not "far too much faith" to be cautiously optimistic. And Jesus dude no one is talking about killing themselves. Seriously.

pangolin 07-19-2020 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3095105)
it’s not just a seat issue. It’s also a weight issue. I don’t know the weight of the 900, but it might not work even with seats taken out.

AA scope, unlike UA is not weight related.


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