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tallpilot 07-20-2020 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 3096057)
United has an earnings and conference call tomorrow and will likely explain who will operate what after 9/30.

I think it's too soon for that. I don't believe Kirby has given up on scope relief. Once he finally capitulates (or TI does, but that isn't my bet) then you will see the plan for UAX. Revenue share for EAS sounds right. Not sure about anything else.

itsmytime 07-20-2020 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3096066)
I think it's too soon for that. I don't believe Kirby has given up on scope relief. Once he finally capitulates (or TI does, but that isn't my bet) then you will see the plan for UAX. Revenue share for EAS sounds right. Not sure about anything else.

agreed. No way he’s laying out any plans for 2+ months from now with things as fluid as they still are.

Happyflyer 07-21-2020 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3096066)
I think it's too soon for that. I don't believe Kirby has given up on scope relief. Once he finally capitulates (or TI does, but that isn't my bet) then you will see the plan for UAX. Revenue share for EAS sounds right. Not sure about anything else.

At this point any scope relief or even status quo grace would include United pilots.

GA2Jets 07-21-2020 06:33 PM

So both 145 operators are wanting to send every last employee a WARN notice. Seems like they are preparing for an outcome far worse than other regionals. Am I wrong?

tallpilot 07-21-2020 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Happyflyer (Post 3096584)
At this point any scope relief or even status quo grace would include United pilots.

Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3096739)
So both 145 operators are wanting to send every last employee a WARN notice. Seems like they are preparing for an outcome far worse than other regionals. Am I wrong?

Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.

idlethrust 07-22-2020 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=tallpilot;3096785]Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.



Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.[/QUOTE
More capable from a Perfomance standpoint yes .More comfortable? I don’t know
they both suck , cockpit and cabin . I’ve flown both .

tallpilot 07-22-2020 09:26 AM

[QUOTE=idlethrust;3097021]

Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3096785)
Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.



Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.[/QUOTE
More capable from a Perfomance standpoint yes .More comfortable? I don’t know
they both suck , cockpit and cabin . I’ve flown both .

They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.

Freighthotdog 07-22-2020 09:59 AM

[QUOTE=tallpilot;3097057]

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3097021)

They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.


I actually don’t mind the 145 as a passenger. That could be because I fly it, but there’s plenty of leg room in A and B, C is a little crammed but a window seat.

pangolin 07-22-2020 10:18 AM

[QUOTE=tallpilot;3097057]

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3097021)

They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.

I’m admittedly biased but the RIDE on the 170s is horrific. Light chop to a CRJ is moderate turbulence in a 170. I don’t know if it’s the stiff wing or if it’s the short length but it’s hard and fishtails in the bumps. Cabin design though is open and spacious. The newer crj interior with lowered floor and bigger bins is nice though. Ride wise I like the crj over the e170. The crj wing pop gets disconcerting sometimes though.

Happyflyer 07-22-2020 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3096785)
Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.



Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.

XJT certificate still has 175 on it, work a seniority solution or shutter operations preserve the certificate. Displace United pilots to Moxy former XJT certificate, move United owned175s over to it, by cutting a deal with Mesa to operate the Gojet 550s, and furture ones tail for tail.

United ALPA needs to get involved XJT is the most viable option for their furloughs with 175 approval. XJT pilots need to consider what type of seniority bath is acceptable for a possible furloughed United seniority number, vs total cease of operations.


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