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pangolin 07-22-2020 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Happyflyer (Post 3097117)
XJT certificate still has 175 on it, work a seniority solution or shutter operations preserve the certificate. Displace United pilots to Moxy former XJT certificate, move United owned175s over to it, by cutting a deal with Mesa to operate the Gojet 550s, and furture ones tail for tail.

WHY? There’s zero benefit to united as a company to do this. The pilots at UA - great benefit. But as far as expense there’s no beating the regionals yet. No staffing issues now either. No bonus not problem.

By creating better utilization of the 70-76 seat fleet UA can use the block hours the 50 seaters were flying to move more pax without any sort of scope relief. Mesa has some very talented people in scheduling. They can take crap pairings and create highly efficient airframe use. I’m sure others can as well. Some 50 seat filler will remain.

idlethrust 07-22-2020 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Happyflyer (Post 3097117)
XJT certificate still has 175 on it, work a seniority solution or shutter operations preserve the certificate. Displace United pilots to Moxy former XJT certificate, move United owned175s over to it, by cutting a deal with Mesa to operate the Gojet 550s, and furture ones tail for tail.

United ALPA needs to get involved XJT is the most viable option for their furloughs with 175 approval. XJT pilots need to consider what type of seniority bath is acceptable for a possible furloughed United seniority number, vs total cease of operations.

XJET and atleast one other carrier will cease operations Oct 1.
It’s just reality . Unfortunate , but reality.

terks43 07-22-2020 10:42 AM

[QUOTE=pangolin;3097112]

Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3097057)

I’m admittedly biased but the RIDE on the 170s is horrific. Light chop to a CRJ is moderate turbulence in a 170. I don’t know if it’s the stiff wing or if it’s the short length but it’s hard and fishtails in the bumps. Cabin design though is open and spacious. The newer crj interior with lowered floor and bigger bins is nice though. Ride wise I like the crj over the e170. The crj wing pop gets disconcerting sometimes though.

Best way I’ve heard it put is in turbulence the crj vibrates vertically like driving down a gravel road. The ejet on the other hand fishtails back and forth, rather violently might I add. The cabin is nicer on the ejet no doubt about it, but the ride quality on that bird is absolutely brutal.

ReadOnly7 07-22-2020 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Freighthotdog (Post 3097092)
I actually don’t mind the 145 as a passenger. That could be because I fly it, but there’s plenty of leg room in A and B, C is a little crammed but a window seat.

You clearly haven’t flown it for very long. There IS no B.....C is an aisle seat, and D is a window.

Happyflyer 07-22-2020 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3097122)
WHY? There’s zero benefit to united as a company to do this. The pilots at UA - great benefit. But as far as expense there’s no beating the regionals yet. No staffing issues now either. No bonus not problem.

By creating better utilization of the 70-76 seat fleet UA can use the block hours the 50 seaters were flying to move more pax without any sort of scope relief. Mesa has some very talented people in scheduling. They can take crap pairings and create highly efficient airframe use. I’m sure others can as well. Some 50 seat filler will remain.

The only value Mesa has ever brought to any company is downward pressure on labor cost.

United Alpa, or any good union always has or creates negotiating capital, they only need to decide what is quid pro quo, and what is a concession, and what is a collective gain.

tallpilot 07-22-2020 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3097122)
WHY? There’s zero benefit to united as a company to do this. The pilots at UA - great benefit. But as far as expense there’s no beating the regionals yet. No staffing issues now either. No bonus not problem.

By creating better utilization of the 70-76 seat fleet UA can use the block hours the 50 seaters were flying to move more pax without any sort of scope relief. Mesa has some very talented people in scheduling. They can take crap pairings and create highly efficient airframe use. I’m sure others can as well. Some 50 seat filler will remain.

That’s his point. United pilots get a jets for jobs type arrangement to throw the furloughs a bone. The trick is finding the leverage to give management something they want without slowing the FFD model elimination plan too much. The alternative is about three thousand United furloughs and nearly 2000 UAX furloughs into a no job environment.

Maybe just holding the line and destroying UAX next April makes the whole paradigm better in a decade but it’s a long time to wait for many of us and the lack of competitiveness hampers United compared to Delta and American.

It is a sticky problem and Mesa being dirt cheap makes no difference if scope block hour limits result in half their fleet being parked.

I should have been a firefighter. I’d be retiring this year.

point80 07-22-2020 07:24 PM

Word on the street is UA is only saving one 145 flyer. Between XJET and CommutAir, its said to be CommutAir. Cheaper workforce, less overall employees/facilities/leases, and less debt.

Its also said this is just a band-aid solution to comply with scope as more 550s are brought online. SK still adamant on getting rid of all 145s long term.

I wish all XJET guys best of luck and hope y’all land on your feet some where

itsmytime 07-22-2020 08:08 PM

[QUOTE=point80;3097425]its said to be CommutAir.
/QUOTE]

where does it say that?

GA2Jets 07-22-2020 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by point80 (Post 3097425)
Word on the street is UA is only saving one 145 flyer. Between XJET and CommutAir, its said to be CommutAir. Cheaper workforce, less overall employees/facilities/leases, and less debt.

Its also said this is just a band-aid solution to comply with scope as more 550s are brought online. SK still adamant on getting rid of all 145s long term.

I wish all XJET guys best of luck and hope y’all land on your feet some where

Also...by word on the street do you mean, word on the APC forum?

ReadOnly7 07-23-2020 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3097482)
Also...by word on the street do you mean, word on the APC forum?

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