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threeighteen 07-25-2020 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by point80 (Post 3098955)
Sounds like you’ve never ran a company or actually read the financial statements of one. Every company, even one like Apple with $2 billion in the bank carries debt. Even though Mana and UA own xjt, xjt is its own operating company. So when UA/Mana need parts, building leases, facuilities, etc. They take it out against the subsidiary. That way if bankruptcy does happen they can cut there losses and not have to pay back the entire debt. I suggest you read the quarterly financials between both companies. Based on sheer size of xjt over CommutAir I would assume that there debt is greater. Im not wishing they lose their job, but so many people are delusional of whats about to happen. Covid-19 dwarfs 9/11 and 2008.

Think of it like cutting off an infected arm (xjet) to save the body (UA)

This.

Also, when UA bought xjet from SkyWest, they also assumed some of SkyWest's debt in the transaction.

amberdash 07-25-2020 04:37 PM

[QUOTE=pangolin;3097112]

Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3097057)

I don’t know if it’s the stiff wing or if it’s the short length but it’s hard and fishtails in the bumps.

I’ve been flying the 170 for the better part of the decade and have NEVER seen it fishtail in turbulence. Ever.

tallpilot 07-25-2020 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by amberdash (Post 3099179)

I’ve been flying the 170 for the better part of the decade and have NEVER seen it fishtail in turbulence. Ever.

It is much less perceptible in the front. All wing mounted engine aircraft will 'fishtail' in turbulence compared to those with aft mounted engines because of thrust vectors. Pangolin was a bit hyperbolic in his statement but the high wing loading of the 170 and even more so the 190 does contribute to a less compliant ride. The 321 has the same issue.

tgec 07-25-2020 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3099183)
It is much less perceptible in the front. All wing mounted engine aircraft will 'fishtail' in turbulence compared to those with aft mounted engines because of thrust vectors. Pangolin was a bit hyperbolic in his statement but the high wing loading of the 170 and even more so the 190 does contribute to a less compliant ride. The 321 has the same issue.

i thought high wing load was good?
maybe I’m wrong. Slept through aerodynamics

Av8rPHX 07-25-2020 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3099183)
It is much less perceptible in the front. All wing mounted engine aircraft will 'fishtail' in turbulence compared to those with aft mounted engines because of thrust vectors. Pangolin was a bit hyperbolic in his statement but the high wing loading of the 170 and even more so the 190 does contribute to a less compliant ride. The 321 has the same issue.



Ever ride in the back of a 757-300? Lol


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pangolin 07-26-2020 04:50 AM

[QUOTE=amberdash;3099179]

Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3097112)

I’ve been flying the 170 for the better part of the decade and have NEVER seen it fishtail in turbulence. Ever.

Sit in the back sometime.

bradthepilot 07-26-2020 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by tgec (Post 3099255)
i thought high wing load was good?
maybe I’m wrong. Slept through aerodynamics

No, you are correct. A higher wing loading rides turbulence better, generally speaking.

captive apple 07-26-2020 06:16 AM

Looks like a swimmer, flies like a swimmer

terks43 07-26-2020 06:35 AM

No idea exactly why, but in the back the ejet truly has an awful ride in turbulence.

UnitedExpress 07-26-2020 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 3099330)
No idea exactly why, but in the back the ejet truly has an awful ride in turbulence.

Who cares? It’s more comfortable up front!


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