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dremaldent 07-31-2020 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 3102700)
I'm not so sure ZW has that many super senior people around after the last few years of hiring into the majors and elsewhere. They aren't as top heavy as they once were.

We still have a few, but again, the company doesn't care how much money they burn as long as it's eventually profitable again, and they're trying everything right now.

idlethrust 07-31-2020 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3102683)
it’s fairly straightforward. Let’s say you sign a two-year cell phone contract with Verizon. And you also pay your son the same amount per month to mow the yard.you lose your job, who do you stop paying?

Both
🤣🤣😂🤣🤣

idlethrust 07-31-2020 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by dremaldent (Post 3102730)
We still have a few, but again, the company doesn't care how much money they burn as long as it's eventually profitable again, and they're trying everything right now.

I’m gonna say something that will tick off a bunch of people and I know I’m gonna get a lot of backlash for it but here goes. First of all I don’t want to see anyone loose their job , especially in these crazy times . However ,some of these regionals need to go away. There may very well be one or two more that don’t make it so dont be surprised if it happens.
Over the past few years whenever xyz airlines wanted to expand domestically they went to abc regional to fly rjs from point a to b instead of expanding within mainline. This only creates more jobs at the regional level and not at mainline, thus further delaying most pilots time at the regionals .
Now you have people flying from dc to dfw , Ord to ny and two or three hour trips on with rjs instead of mainline aircraft.This was never the intended purpose of regionals.
No one seen this pandemic coming, no way no how, but it is doing something that ironically needed to be done and that is clean up this industry and rid itself of a lot of rjs and regional outfits .
When this is over and abc airlines want to expand domestically, they will look internally first instead of depending on rj lift , therefore creating more jobs for us down the road . It will sting for awhile for all of us but for those who stick it out for a few years more I think the opportunities will once again be plentiful one day .Im sorry for those who have lost their job and for those who willl in the coming months , but in a funny round about way the regional model needed to cannablize itself so that we may all have a better chance at the heavy metal down the road .
Rant over ——😐😐😐

dera 07-31-2020 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3102913)
I’m gonna say something that will tick off a bunch of people and I know I’m gonna get a lot of backlash for it but here goes. First of all I don’t want to see anyone loose their job , especially in these crazy times . However ,some of these regionals need to go away. There may very well be one or two more that don’t make it so dont be surprised if it happens.
Over the past few years whenever xyz airlines wanted to expand domestically they went to abc regional to fly rjs from point a to b instead of expanding within mainline. This only creates more jobs at the regional level and not at mainline, thus further delaying most pilots time at the regionals .
Now you have people flying from dc to dfw , Ord to ny and two or three hour trips on with rjs instead of mainline aircraft.This was never the intended purpose of regionals.
No one seen this pandemic coming, no way no how, but it is doing something that ironically needed to be done and that is clean up this industry and rid itself of a lot of rjs and regional outfits .
When this is over and abc airlines want to expand domestically, they will look internally first instead of depending on rj lift , therefore creating more jobs for us down the road . It will sting for awhile for all of us but for those who stick it out for a few years more I think the opportunities will once again be plentiful one day .Im sorry for those who have lost their job and for those who willl in the coming months , but in a funny round about way the regional model needed to cannablize itself so that we may all have a better chance at the heavy metal down the road .
Rant over ——😐😐😐

The sad thing is that this crisis will more likely be the end of mainline narrowbody flying, than regionals. This will get so much worse before there is any recovery, every single legacy will go through Chapter 11, and on the other side, there will be regionals flying Airbii.

Thanks for selling out on scope (not you personally, but for the senior guys who did it).

Gone Flying 07-31-2020 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3102931)
The sad thing is that this crisis will more likely be the end of mainline narrowbody flying, than regionals. This will get so much worse before there is any recovery, every single legacy will go through Chapter 11, and on the other side, there will be regionals flying Airbii.

Thanks for selling out on scope (not you personally, but for the senior guys who did it).

doubtful unless you convince a BK judge to allow 1 company to undercut the industry. Doubt too many gout at mainline today will sell any scope. Current scope clauses at every legacy restrict regional block hours to a % of mainline block hours, No way that ends voluntarily

dera 07-31-2020 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3102952)
doubtful unless you convince a BK judge to allow 1 company to undercut the industry. Doubt too many gout at mainline today will sell any scope. Current scope clauses at every legacy restrict regional block hours to a % of mainline block hours, No way that ends voluntarily

"we are not viable without scope relief"
"ok"
"thank you".

Dstblj52 07-31-2020 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3102970)
"we are not viable without scope relief"
"ok"
"thank you".

What has changed that meant you were viable before but you are not viable now in the long term?

dera 07-31-2020 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Dstblj52 (Post 3102983)
What has changed that meant you were viable before but you are not viable now in the long term?

There was this thing called COVID.
It sort of changed the whole playing field.

This is a cataclysmic event. The industry won't be the same after this.

SonicFlyer 07-31-2020 09:16 PM

If it is the same union for both XJT and UAL, then why did they let UAL get away with this?

Tom Bradys Cat 08-01-2020 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3103033)
If it is the same union for both XJT and UAL, then why did they let UAL get away with this?

pretty sure cause it isnt....its alpA.....its an association of seperate unions.

XJT union.....United union......both under an association.

AFAIK


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