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captive apple 08-01-2020 06:12 PM

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GA2Jets 09-18-2020 11:44 AM

With the new TA at United, anyone know what the changes are in regard to Express flying?

BigZ 09-18-2020 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3131450)
With the new TA at United, anyone know what the changes are in regard to Express flying?

UAX is reduced from 120% to 100% of mainline narrowbody block, plus shorter look back period if I remember right. Point being is that there are changes

flightlessbirds 09-18-2020 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3131508)
UAX is reduced from 120% to 100% of mainline narrowbody block, plus shorter look back period if I remember right. Point being is that there are changes

Does the shorter look back help the company fly more RJs by eliminating the peak lockdown period from the look-back?

It could be that 100% of a larger number still lets them fly more RJs than 120% of a smaller number.

Hedley 09-18-2020 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3131508)
UAX is reduced from 120% to 100% of mainline narrowbody block, plus shorter look back period if I remember right. Point being is that there are changes

If UAX is scheduled to fly less than 40% of their same month 2019 level, nothing changes. It’s still 120% United NB block with the 12 month look back. If they are scheduled to fly 40% or greater than the same month 2019, then they are restricted to less United NB block on a same month for month basis. Basically, when things start to recover, UAX block hours will be reduced from 120% to <100% for the duration of the TA (up to 2 years).

CRJiceADsucks 09-28-2020 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3131678)
If UAX is scheduled to fly less than 40% of their same month 2019 level, nothing changes. It’s still 120% United NB block with the 12 month look back. If they are scheduled to fly 40% or greater than the same month 2019, then they are restricted to less United NB block on a same month for month basis. Basically, when things start to recover, UAX block hours will be reduced from 120% to <100% for the duration of the TA (up to 2 years).


Thing is, from what I’ve heard UAX is already above 40%.

The summary for the agreement said that it would have forced UAX changes to comply with scope of it was in effect during July, aug, September

Hedley 09-28-2020 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by CRJiceADsucks (Post 3137149)
Thing is, from what I’ve heard UAX is already above 40%.

The summary for the agreement said that it would have forced UAX changes to comply with scope of it was in effect during July, aug, September

The union put out a slide in one of their video Q&A sessions discussing the scope deal. Pre-COVID, UAX usually ran around 80-90% mainline block hours. That is because they were scoped out on 70/76 seaters and United only wanted so many 50 seaters. With United flying a full schedule, the allowable big rj’s and 50 seaters didn’t ring the bell. Since all of this hit, the regionals have ripped the bell off of the wall. In the last few months UAX flying has far exceeded United, and had the plan been in effect, the scope restrictions would have kicked in. Now that the TA has passed (providing that UAX is at 40% 2019 levels), UAX can’t exceed mainline block hours. Going forward UAX hours will have to be reduced, United hours increased to a level above UAX, or a combination of the two so that UAX levels don’t exceed that of United.

rickair7777 09-29-2020 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3137357)
The union put out a slide in one of their video Q&A sessions discussing the scope deal. Pre-COVID, UAX usually ran around 80-90% mainline block hours. That is because they were scoped out on 70/76 seaters and United only wanted so many 50 seaters. With United flying a full schedule, the allowable big rj’s and 50 seaters didn’t ring the bell. Since all of this hit, the regionals have ripped the bell off of the wall. In the last few months UAX flying has far exceeded United, and had the plan been in effect, the scope restrictions would have kicked in. Now that the TA has passed (providing that UAX is at 40% 2019 levels), UAX can’t exceed mainline block hours. Going forward UAX hours will have to be reduced, United hours increased to a level above UAX, or a combination of the two so that UAX levels don’t exceed that of United.

I think a big impact on the yes votes was the fact that this TA broke the historical model of "UAX hires while mainline fires".

amcnd 09-29-2020 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3137444)
I think a big impact on the yes votes was the fact that this TA broke the historical model of "UAX hires while mainline fires".


Who’s hiring!! (Laugh)

rickair7777 09-29-2020 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3137446)
Who’s hiring!! (Laugh)

UAX hiring historically tended to start up much sooner after the "trigger event" and would occur while UA was furloughing.

Looks like that's getting pre-empted this time, good on UA-ALPA.


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