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itsmytime 08-01-2020 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3103033)
If it is the same union for both XJT and UAL, then why did they let UAL get away with this?

get away with what? United’s not allowed to have a business plan? I get that losing jobs sucks, but it’s not always an evil conspiracy to screw pilots. If United thought they’d make money with xjt and commutair, they’d both still be here. Like, oh say, six months ago, when both we’re planning to grow.

rickair7777 08-01-2020 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat (Post 3103090)
pretty sure cause it isnt....its alpA.....its an association of seperate unions.

XJT union.....United union......both under an association.

AFAIK

This is correct. I don't think the RLA allows all of us to actually be under one union. The word "Association" is not in the name by accident.

OOfff 08-01-2020 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3103033)
If it is the same union for both XJT and UAL, then why did they let UAL get away with this?

what should ALPA have done, in your opinion?

itsmytime 08-01-2020 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3103261)
what should ALPA have done, in your opinion?

he doesn’t have an answer for that.

Av8rPHX 08-01-2020 11:39 AM

At the end of the day ALPA is a labor union that is going to bargain for the Interests or mainline pilots and only mainline jobs. Years ago working EMS,I was the member of a large international union which represented firefighters. My agency did transports only and had no fire suppression capabilities. While it was nice having the resources of a large international labor group, they were also very open about putting us in our place and pushing to bring EMS transport under the umbrella of fire suppression duties and thus putting us out of work.


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Dstblj52 08-01-2020 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3103333)
At the end of the day ALPA is a labor union that is going to bargain for the Interests or mainline pilots and only mainline jobs. Years ago working EMS,I was the member of a large international union which represented firefighters. My agency did transports only and had no fire suppression capabilities. While it was nice having the resources of a large international labor group, they were also very open about putting us in our place and pushing to bring EMS transport under the umbrella of fire suppression duties and thus putting us out of work.


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Hard to blame them its basically impossible to make things better at the regionals due to the nature of bidding for business far better to try and shrink them so mainline and the LLC can grow in their place

highfarfast 08-01-2020 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Dstblj52 (Post 3103384)
Hard to blame them its basically impossible to make things better at the regionals due to the nature of bidding for business far better to try and shrink them so mainline and the LLC can grow in their place

If ALPA had the interest of regional pilots, they'd hold the line and regional airlines wouldn't exist.

FXLAX 08-01-2020 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3103033)
If it is the same union for both XJT and UAL, then why did they let UAL get away with this?


It’s not the same union. The pilots who are on the XJT MEC are not the same pilots who are on the UAL mec. ALPA is an association of several unions. That’s what the second A in ALPA stands for. But I’m pretty sure you already knew that and your line of questions has a specific agenda. Why not just come out and say it? It’s okay.

FXLAX 08-01-2020 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3103333)
At the end of the day ALPA is a labor union that is going to bargain for the Interests or mainline pilots and only mainline jobs. Years ago working EMS,I was the member of a large international union which represented firefighters. My agency did transports only and had no fire suppression capabilities. While it was nice having the resources of a large international labor group, they were also very open about putting us in our place and pushing to bring EMS transport under the umbrella of fire suppression duties and thus putting us out of work.


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Only an airline pilot’s respective MEC can negotiate their own contract. They are not able to negotiate another pilot group’s contract. They have no say in it. So of course each MEC is going to negotiate what is solely in their own interest. So yes, mainline pilots will always negotiate in their own interest and regional pilots will negotiate their own interest. Neither has a say in the other.

itsmytime 08-01-2020 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3103491)
It’s not the same union. The pilots who are on the XJT MEC are not the same pilots who are on the UAL mec. ALPA is an association of several unions. That’s what the second A in ALPA stands for. But I’m pretty sure you already knew that and your line of questions has a specific agenda. Why not just come out and say it? It’s okay.

must be a Skywest guy.


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