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ElCaribe 01-29-2021 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by nonononononono (Post 3188022)
the entire aviation industry will not exist in ten years all in the honor of the carbon footprint. cheers.

Good lord. Talk about fear mongering. I’m not sure how you even sleep at night.

flynd94 01-30-2021 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3188291)
Depends greatly on the future of United.

https://i.ibb.co/FJV3c33/A373-EBBA-7...8-CAA18-B8.jpg


Nothing burger. The Cares2 money expired 3/31. All these people were told they would be furloughed again when the money expired. The true test will be this summer when the LOA for pilot furloughs expires.

Hedley 01-30-2021 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3188352)
Nothing burger. The Cares2 money expired 3/31. All these people were told they would be furloughed again when the money expired. The true test will be this summer when the LOA for pilot furloughs expires.

If you are talking about the United LOA, it doesn’t terminate this summer unless demand is back and the pilots are needed, otherwise we have it until 10/22.

tallpilot 01-30-2021 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by furloughfuntime (Post 3187995)
Did you read the article? Biden halted new leases on federal lands and announced his intention to buy electric vehicles. How is that a "slash and burn approach" or "meddling in major economic sectors"? I am trying to understand. The very fact that oil companies are allowed to lease federal lands shows that the federal government is not trying to destroy the industry. Would it also be meddling if the government bought cars with internal combustion engines? I don't see how this is slash and burn, but I guess we may have different definitions.

As far as the threat to pilot's jobs, that's just more fear-mongering. Nothing Biden has suggested could lead a reasonable person to believe that.

Creative destruction is part of technological change and innovation, and it's necessary. If you want them to "build the new system" so people can transition, that's exactly what these subsidies are for. Help a burgeoning industry gain its footing while we move to a more sustainable model.

Carter banned the recycling of nuclear fuel rods. Regan reversed it. To this day, there is no infastructure to recycle the rods. Once government bans something private industry stops investing in it because the risk of a future ban is too great.

Is it rediculous that over 40 years later we still just store the old rods in a containment pool instead of recycling them? Yes it is, but it is nonetheless true. Government regulation has an extremely long lasting chilling effect.

GA2Jets 01-30-2021 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3188412)
Carter banned the recycling of nuclear fuel rods. Regan reversed it. To this day, there is no infastructure to recycle the rods. Once government bans something private industry stops investing in it because the risk of a future ban is too great.

Is it rediculous that over 40 years later we still just store the old rods in a containment pool instead of recycling them? Yes it is, but it is nonetheless true. Government regulation has an extremely long lasting chilling effect.

Uh huh...so was private industry was scared to brew beer after prohibition bc it might get banned again? Private industry won't do things that don't make money, if it's cheaper for them to throw them out, that's what they do unless told otherwise. Most of the time anyway.

Gone Flying 01-30-2021 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3188363)
If you are talking about the United LOA, it doesn’t terminate this summer unless demand is back and the pilots are needed, otherwise we have it until 10/22.

I thought the no furlough portion expires in June

Excargodog 01-30-2021 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3188352)
Nothing burger. The Cares2 money expired 3/31. All these people were told they would be furloughed again when the money expired. The true test will be this summer when the LOA for pilot furloughs expires.

A nothing burger? Hardly that. It isn’t just the pilots who admittedly it’s often cheaper to keep around and keep current than to incur training costs, it’s the whole business. International flying is in the cr@pper and UA is affected by that as much as anyone. That ripples down. Do you seriously think that UA isn’t being hurt by having billions of dollars worth of wide bodies parked in the desert? Have you ever run a business? I mean even a lemonade stand? Because you clearly don’t understand the effect of that. Most of the big capital expenditures UA makes are financed through bond sales. A bond sale is essentially renting money. The last bond sale UA did they were expecting to pay 11% per year to rent that money:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lion-junk-bond

and they couldn’t get enough takers to make it work:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/united-a...ints-1.1433725

the problem is they have a LOT of bonds maturing from previous years - bonds they sold at 3.5-4%. They don’t have the money to pay off those bonds, they’ll have to refinance them. So their debt service will climb substantially, those parked 787s costing them more and more until international flying resumes.

Even if they don’t furlough a single pilot you better believe it affects UAEX, and the career prospects for every UAEX employee.

highfarfast 01-30-2021 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3188419)
Uh huh...so was private industry was scared to brew beer after prohibition bc it might get banned again? Private industry won't do things that don't make money, if it's cheaper for them to throw them out, that's what they do unless told otherwise. Most of the time anyway.

The comparison is terrible. Prohibition put a lot of legit business out of business but there were a lot of people making a lot of money brewing beer during prohibition. Repealing prohibition just made it legal again. No one was making money recycling nuclear fuel rods during the Carter ban.

rickair7777 01-30-2021 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3188412)
store the old rods in a containment pool instead of recycling them? Yes it is, but it is nonetheless true. Government regulation has an extremely long lasting chilling effect.

I get your point re. regulation.

But for clarity, recycling spent fuel doesn't eliminate the need to store spent fuel... the hot isotopes are still hot and still need to be stored. Recycling separates the very hot stuff (which needs very long-term stoarge) from not-so hot stuff which will decay sooner, and also separates out unburned fuel and which can be repackaged in new fuel and isotopes which can be used in medicine and industry (mostly for imaging).

Elements cannot be destroyed or modified (outside of a reactor core), they can only be chemically or physically separated from each other. If it has a long half-life, you're stuck with it.

flynd94 01-30-2021 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3188363)
If you are talking about the United LOA, it doesn’t terminate this summer unless demand is back and the pilots are needed, otherwise we have it until 10/22.


I meant the protections for us bottom dwellers on the list


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