Beards
10-01-2020, 02:15 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Bring out the calipers and the lawyers. Define “neatly groomed.”
I even go more than a couple days without shaving on the line and have never heard anything. The idea that we would all suddenly look like vagabonds is ludicrous. We are adults and know when things get out of hand. Those that don’t will be pulled in and spoken to about it.
I mean, HR has to deal with ironing of uniforms, having the wrong uniform, haircuts etc and get by just fine. To say that allowing facial hair will suddenly cause a mass problem for them is silly.
Lastly, we are about the last folks not allowing it, so if everyone else can make it work, I think we can too.
10-01-2020, 03:21 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I mean, HR has to deal with ironing of uniforms, having the wrong uniform, haircuts etc and get by just fine. To say that allowing facial hair will suddenly cause a mass problem for them is silly.
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United Parcel Service Inc. will pay $4.9 million to resolve a U.S. government lawsuit that claimed the company’s uniform and appearance guidelines are biased.
The settlement is the largest class religious discrimination settlement in the history of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, according to the agency’s former chief attorney.
“It’s a very important case to make sure that large employers take the steps necessary to accommodate all religious minorities,” David Lopez, the EEOC’s Obama-era general counsel, told Bloomberg Law. “It is a big case, and to the best of my recollection, that is the largest resolution.”
In its August 2015 lawsuit, the commission alleged that the package delivery giant refused to hire applicants who wore beards and long hair for religious reasons. UPS also segregated employees with religious-related beards and long hair into nonsupervisory jobs with no customer contact, denied them equal opportunities for promotion, and failed to provide them with faith-based work accommodations, the EEOC alleged.
The settlement is the largest class religious discrimination settlement in the history of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, according to the agency’s former chief attorney.
“It’s a very important case to make sure that large employers take the steps necessary to accommodate all religious minorities,” David Lopez, the EEOC’s Obama-era general counsel, told Bloomberg Law. “It is a big case, and to the best of my recollection, that is the largest resolution.”
In its August 2015 lawsuit, the commission alleged that the package delivery giant refused to hire applicants who wore beards and long hair for religious reasons. UPS also segregated employees with religious-related beards and long hair into nonsupervisory jobs with no customer contact, denied them equal opportunities for promotion, and failed to provide them with faith-based work accommodations, the EEOC alleged.
10-01-2020, 03:26 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, regionals will have to wait for majors. Majors can actually specify requirements for their FFD pilots... they usually don't because they want to keep costs low, but insisting on a clean shave is actually zero cost to the major partner.
From my perspective I see essentially zero impetus for beard reform at the legacies... there's a tiny handful of young, junior folks who bring it up but most of the membership doesn't give a rats arse. If the company offered, sure. But if we had to expend negotiating capital... not a chance in h3ll, I'm not giving up even $0.25/hr over beards.
Maybe corporate or fractionals? I know some corporate operators are cool with it, might even convey some gravitas for the high-end pax...
From my perspective I see essentially zero impetus for beard reform at the legacies... there's a tiny handful of young, junior folks who bring it up but most of the membership doesn't give a rats arse. If the company offered, sure. But if we had to expend negotiating capital... not a chance in h3ll, I'm not giving up even $0.25/hr over beards.
Maybe corporate or fractionals? I know some corporate operators are cool with it, might even convey some gravitas for the high-end pax...
10-01-2020, 03:28 PM
#25
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How is it any different from the hair on top of your head? Does your company go around measuring haircuts? It would be the same standards with beards. Don't let it go, otherwise you risk drawing unwanted attention to yourself from the chiefs.
10-01-2020, 03:35 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by yeeeyeee
Definitely not super important during these times, but been doing some research lately. When will airlines, specifically regionals, allow facial hair? A well regulated rule like what Air Canada is doing would be awesome. Perhaps a maximum of half an inch with neatly groomed neck and cheek lines.
10-02-2020, 03:37 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Delta Lite
I was under the impression that beards prevent the oxygen mask from sealing and are therefore a safety issue.
10-02-2020, 04:52 AM
#30
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While not technically a regional per se, JSX flies regional jets and allows for beards. I personally had one for 90% of my time there. While there were a couple of guys that looked sloppy, most people did groom them nicely and it looked good
