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rickair7777 12-07-2020 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss (Post 3167690)
Does anyone honestly believe that after 70+ years of research and development that we have a 40% effective flu shot, but in 10 months a 95% effective Rona shot?

You just demonstrated some extreme ignorance. Apples to pomegranites comparison, the only less-informed comparison I've seen is covid vs. HIV.

1) "The flu" is actually a family of similar viruses, not one single bug.

2) The "flu shot" is actually a cocktail of 3-4 different vaccines, which are selected twice each year based on which (of many available) strains of flu they guesstimate are *most* likely to be *most* prevalent in the coming season. It is never intended, nor would it ever be able, to prevent all flu. It's intended to reduce the impact on society, and improve your individual odds. The bonus is that if you get the shot annually, it improves your odds against strains which are not included in the current shot, because you have some immunity left for strains from years past, which may still circle around.

3) The flu mutates rapidly in a fast cycle which occurs in a unique "reservoir animal" ecosystem of pigs, domestic birds, and peasants in Asia. By bouncing back and forth between species (with vast numbers of animal hosts), it's afforded a tremendous opportunity to mutate. After which it it jumps to people and makes it's way around the world.

4) Many flu strains have been circulating for years, and they have vaccines on the shelf for those. When a new robust mutation pops up, they have to make a NEW vaccine within months to get it into the next cycle's flu shot cocktail. They actually have that down to a science.

Covid has not shown any indication of getting into domestic livestock in a manner such that it can readily jump back and forth between livestock and humans. Once covid is beaten back into a dark corner it will have vastly reduced mutation opportunities.

A covid vaccine is a lot more straight-forward.

KelvinHelmholtz 12-07-2020 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3167783)
You just demonstrated some extreme ignorance. Apples to pomegranites comparison, the only less-informed comparison I've seen is covid vs. HIV.

1) "The flu" is actually a family of similar viruses, not one single bug.

2) The "flu shot" is actually a cocktail of 3-4 different vaccines, which are selected twice each year based on which (of many available) strains of flu they guesstimate are *most* likely to be *most* prevalent in the coming season. It is never intended, nor would it ever be able, to prevent all flu. It's intended to reduce the impact on society, and improve your individual odds. The bonus is that if you get the shot annually, it improves your odds against strains which are not included in the current shot, because you have some immunity left for strains from years past, which may still circle around.

3) The flu mutates rapidly in a fast cycle which occurs in a unique "reservoir animal" ecosystem of pigs, domestic birds, and peasants in Asia. By bouncing back and forth between species (with vast numbers of animal hosts), it's afforded a tremendous opportunity to mutate. After which it it jumps to people and makes it's way around the world.

4) Many flu strains have been circulating for years, and they have vaccines on the shelf for those. When a new robust mutation pops up, they have to make a NEW vaccine within months to get it into the next cycle's flu shot cocktail. They actually have that down to a science.

Covid has not shown any indication of getting into domestic livestock in a manner such that it can readily jump back and forth between livestock and humans. Once covid is beaten back into a dark corner it will have vastly reduced mutation opportunities.

A covid vaccine is a lot more straight-forward.

That’s exactly what the point of my post was. Asking the other poster if he thinks they are the same because they obviously are not.

I’m very aware that influenza and COVID are totally different viruses that coronaviruses mutate much slower making vaccine development easier. The reason previous coronaviruses did not have a vaccine developed was because these viruses either disappeared like SARS or were so mild (like the coronaviruses that cause many colds) that vaccine development had no financial incentive.

As for COVID in livestock, Mink farms are the only source of large outbreaks I am familiar with.

TransWorld 12-07-2020 12:36 PM

Ditto to what Rick said. Spot on.

rickair7777 12-07-2020 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3167811)
That’s exactly what the point of my post was. Asking the other poster if he thinks they are the same because they obviously are not.

I’m very aware that influenza and COVID are totally different viruses that coronaviruses mutate much slower making vaccine development easier. The reason previous coronaviruses did not have a vaccine developed was because these viruses either disappeared like SARS or were so mild (like the coronaviruses that cause many colds) that vaccine development had no financial incentive.

As for COVID in livestock, Mink farms are the only source of large outbreaks I am familiar with.

Sorry, quoted the wrong post but I'll fix that.

Minks are fine, so are most other wild animals and livestock, which can be maintained at arms length from humans and can be culled if needed (as opposed to sleeping in their huts with them). What you don't want is a large livestock reservoir pool which cannot be mostly isolated from people. That would probably be animals which are inextricably embedded in society in developing parts of the world.

Beech Dude 12-07-2020 04:30 PM

Drifting, drifting...gone.

Seneca Pilot 12-08-2020 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3167998)
Drifting, drifting...gone.


You're absolutely right, let's get this thread back on track.

Miatas are not sports cars. Discuss.

https://i.imgur.com/FaO8Zw9.png

Paid2fly 12-08-2020 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3168347)
You're absolutely right, let's get this thread back on track.

Miatas are not sports cars. Discuss.

https://i.imgur.com/FaO8Zw9.png




Is that you on the right or left?

Seneca Pilot 12-08-2020 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 3168375)
Is that you on the right or left?

You tell me, your husband gave me the picture.:D

Lucifer 01-11-2021 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Escargot (Post 3167015)
I'm starting to trust you. What does that mean?!?

Wisdom my young friend, wisdom.

TransWorld 01-11-2021 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Lucifer (Post 3180086)
Wisdom my young friend, wisdom.

With age often come with wisdom. They are more inclined to not follow you.

Having said that, even broken clocks are right twice a day.


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