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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 176507)
First off, be honest, or you really will be hosed for good.
As far as any airline or the government is concerned, if you attended training, you were employed (pay has nothing to do with it). You will almost certainly have a failure record on the PRIA paperwork. Personally, I would be more concerned with a groundschool failure than with a sim failure...bad things can happen to good people in sim, not often, but sometimes. There are many variables beyond your control (instructor, partner, schedule, etc), plus if you go from CFI to jet it's a steep curve. Ground school is usually cut-and-dried though. A lot of work, but you usually know the answers to the tests in advance, you just have to learn them. I would suspect that a GS failure was due to lack of effort or concentration. You need to accept responsibility, analyze the situation and figure out WHY you failed. Then be prepared to explain it, and also explain what you have or will do differently. If you had serious outside distractions (family, illness, relationship) that might be a good mitigating factor but hopefully you have resolved whatever the issue was. If it was simply lack of effort, you can probably say the failure was a major wakeup call/attitude adjustment and they'll believe you. I'd probably hire you under those circumstances...compared to some CFI's you already know what to expect. Good Luck. Good discussion, Take this. Say during the course of your training, the training department decided not provide you with any further training because of some short coming on your part. Then they ask you to resign for personal reasons and you did just that "resign for personal reasons". Does that going to show on your PRIA that you failed the training or show up as "resign for personal reasons":) ? |
Great inputs RICAIR7777,
I definitely learned tons from that experience, was a combination of disasters from the get go, I was not ready for it, anyway, I hate not to choose my future airline after preping for it. It looks like after telling my story and prove I'm worthy I will be at the mercy of all and take whatever to move on ( all for the love of flying).... Thanx Ricair7777 |
Originally Posted by RJ900
(Post 176525)
Good discussion,
Take this. Say during the course of your training, the training department decided not provide you with any further training because of some short coming on your part. Then they ask you to resign for personal reasons and you did just that "resign for personal reasons". Does that going to show on your PRIA that you failed the training or show up as "resign for personal reasons":) ? I would have to look at the PRIA paperwork to be sure, but I think it asks about "resignation in lieu of termination" That might be a judgement call on the part of the management, but unfortunately you have no idea what they will write on the PRIA form until it's too late. You also have no idea what they might say on a reference call. Remember, PRIA is about pilot records...even if they say that you quit on your own, your shortcomings will still be in your training record which MUST go to your new employer. In 121 they can't just conveniently "lose" the records. Ultimately if you try to gloss over a termination, and they later get a story (or impression) that is at odds with what you told them, you will not be hired. Or more likely you will get fired while in training, since they often do background checks AFTER you start. |
Originally Posted by Crossfeed69
(Post 176527)
Great inputs RICAIR7777,
I definitely learned tons from that experience, was a combination of disasters from the get go, I was not ready for it, anyway, I hate not to choose my future airline after preping for it. It looks like after telling my story and prove I'm worthy I will be at the mercy of all and take whatever to move on ( all for the love of flying).... Thanx Ricair7777 |
Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 176571)
do what I did, go to the first airline that hires you, any airline!!!!!!!! pass training and than re-apply to the airline you want to be at, I had too, whatever the case, don't and I mean DONT GIVE UP..................keep at it yuoll land another 121 job and you will get through...............
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Originally Posted by Crossfeed69
(Post 176591)
Can't tell you how much your words mean to me...thank you all for such great inputs, I will take each advice to heart, work hard as usual and like what you said SAABMANNN...never give up! to all in my shoes listen to the pros. and NEVER GIVE UP. THANX SAABAROOWSKI.
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My class of 600-ish hour kids had an average of 98% on our systems test and even higher on Indoc, its not hard. If we can do it you can....... I know for a fact PSA and Expressjet have hired washouts........
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Originally Posted by mccube5
(Post 176599)
SAAB seems like a good guy but i would hardly call him the pros!! ;)
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If you don't mind sharing the details of your past experience, you might get more specific advice on how best to mitigate the damage in your upcoming interviews. Every case is different. You just need to know how to spin the past for the most positive light.
Also, I know Colgan has hired washouts. You might have to go to a Colgan and serve your time then move on to bigger and better things. Not a bad time to go to Colgan, with the growth and the potential for improved work rules through alpa. |
Originally Posted by mccube5
(Post 176599)
SAAB seems like a good guy but i would hardly call him the pros!! ;)
PS THIS IS WHY I WENT TO COLGAN, you get through 121 training and a few PC's busted checkrides dont seem like such a black eye, I am sure I will have to answer for them in the future if I am fortunate to move on..........BE HONEST |
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