Then quit and go work for #4 if you think that's better

Go to Endeavor,
highest pay rates
Can commute with only one flight no backup required
For now, it’s also a positive space ticket, no non-reving required to and from work.

Flow to Delta, guaranteed attrition from top of list, not just revolving door of reserve CAs leaving, and lineholders staying put. Also opens up LCA and sim instructor jobs. At some carriers those jobs are held by pilots who will never leave and don’t have flow.

Flow also makes all bases viable, nothing is “too senior”.

12 hour reserve call out combined with one flight commute requirement is viable.

Even if you want to move to base, you’ll have options to commute to a quicker upgrade and make 100k.

Do what makes sense for you and what you want. If there is a regional based near the biggest city where you live I would say do that to not commute or find and easy commute. Pay for the most part is pretty close at all of them. Also what do you want to fly? Don’t listen to people who say don’t go to the shiny jet if that’s what you want to fly then do it! Remember it’s career progression. Most people think they are owed something and complain about every little thing and future trip constantly I would say stay away from that. Another note probably 85 percent of the people I flew with at the regionals didn’t want to upgrade when they had the time so just remember that too. Enjoy there is no right or wrong job to pick other than the right one for you

You were spot on about picking the regional based on aircraft. Pick a regional close to where you live or want to live and go somewhere that will offer career progression and the the upgrade when it comes. Also pick the air frame that will meet those goals as well even the same company offers the prettier air frame that doesn’t check the career progression box and the uglier frame does…..

By all means if all things are equal then air frame choice can be a great tie breaker l….

Given a choice, pick an airframe and company that will likely be around long enough for you to build time and become marketable to a company that you’d like to retire from. Going to a regional with a large 70/76 seat fleet carries much less risk than going to one with only 50 seaters. The regionals are a great way to gain quality experience, but they are just a means to an end. Go where you can meet your goals in the shortest amount of time. Seniority at your career company is the name of the game.

fixed it for you

Not disagreeing with you. While the a seat 50 operator Carrie’s more risk. I just don’t see them going away as quickly. I think someone coming in today can get some quick experience at the right 50 seat operator within the next 3-4 years. They key is getting in the door today…

in a normal environment where the bean counters have a free hand, yes

if there’s any part of the industry ripe for chaos due to pilot labor maldistribution…. It is the 50 seat carriers. Skywest, Mesa and Air Whiskey come to United and says they need an extra $$$$ to retain pilots. Why would united give $ to each when they could give $$ to mesa and Skywest?

Only upper management knows how fast they’ll go away, but increasing fuel cost and attrition will greatly influence their path. United for instance is supposed to take over 170 deliveries by the end of 2023. The big attrition numbers at the regionals hasn’t really started yet. If fuel prices continue to rise and attrition picks up, the regional model might have to sacrifice pieces to save the whole. Others have a very good chance of just being cut. Air Wisconsin for example only flys 200’s for United and the contract isn’t expected to be renewed when it expires early 2023. Unless they can find another customer for tired 200’s or take over 70/76 seat or the 550 flying currently being done by others, I’d say that going there would be a last resort since the odds of having to start over in a year are pretty good.

If they go away because of labor ... nobody knows how fast they will go away. It's likely to be precipitous.

I’ll wager 5 to 6 years for them to go away…. I’ll be glad to be wrong

We’ll just have to wait and see. If fuel prices and regional attrition rise significantly, they could be phased out much sooner than originally planned due to cost and inability to staff the flying. If there are more covid lock downs or a major recession, they could be around longer. That 5-6 year timeframe will also depend on which company is considered. I’d expect SkyWest to be flying a few 200’s around in that time, but I wouldn’t bank on Air Wisconsin flying anything after their contract with United expires in just over a year.

Honestly, I wouldn't even consider Endeavor right now. I would rank us behind the AA WOs, Skywest, Air Wisconsin, and Horizon. We'd rank above GoJet and Mesa, but that's about it. Management is woefully out of touch and shows absolutely no desire to remain competitive for applicants. The American regionals will give you an extra $150,000. Endeavor would give you nothing. Every communication we have received from the union and management indicates no appetite to help our retention or QOL. The only things we have going for us is positive space commuting, but that will go away in less than a year and a flow-ish program for new hires that has yet to be signed. QOL and schedules suck, and we've lost our competitive advantage in pay.

Make your decision based on what's right for you, but there are a lot better options out there than Endeavor. It's not like the old days when management cared about being (regional) industry leading in how they treat their employees.

Worse than Air Wisconsin? Who doesn’t have a contract or viable aircraft

That statement continues to really get thrown around a lot lately, but it’s only partially true. You have the potential to get that if you’re crazy enough to wait around for the flow, but not before. Considering how many pilots are leaving for airlines other than AA, not many people will be seeing it.

At least it's there. Endeavor has nothing!

I thought the same, that seems ridiculous.

But at least Air Wisconsin will likely go bust and force pilots to get other jobs while there is still a ton of movement.

There might be less opportunity by the time poor decisions catch up with Endeavor?

Thats the only way I can angle his perspective to have any validity.

there is a reluctance to believe unprecedented changes will happen in the next year. There’s some logic to believing things will keep on as they were “long enough”. Might happen but I don’t think so

I dunno how much thought I would put into them saying endeavor is the worst regional. It's not. It's in a funk right now but so are other regionals. Our schedules suck because we are barely breaking even on people leaving to new hires coming in. Trips are inefficient but the big issue with that was nyc. I do expect them to get better come January. If we never get any retention for the current pilots then things may never change and we will never be staffed right. For anyone to have a decent qol and more than min days off you have to be almost halfway up the list per base for line holders. The next 4 months are going to be huge for this place. So we will see.

With that all said every single pilot on property has the opportunity to flow to delta so take that as you will.

with the big 6 hiring 1000 per month, that’s a correct statement for every regional. At least until Mesa folds

Agreed. Every regional is going to be hurting. Some more than others.

Just wait till jb fdx wn and ups open their windows again early next year

How exactly does the federal government keep Mesa from going under if they don’t have pilots? It’s not a bankruptcy it’s staffing.

UPS is open now.....just opened yesterday....
https://www.jobs-ups.com/job/louisvi.../1187/19833570

The joke









your head.

Now that I reread your post it soared way over my head.

So, if one was wise he/she would avoid ZW? Just received an offer to interview. I suppose I'll keep waiting for the others to offer.

I would interview myself. For a couple reasons. You don’t have anything else right now. Also, it’s good practice.

There is plenty of speculation on air Wisconsin, and others. That’s all it is, unless you’re part of the execs at united no one knows what their plan is with Wisconsin.

Kirby has given several interviews whete he is quite clear that they plan to reduce 50 seat service.

That said, the issue here is not what United wants to do but what do united may have to do in the setting of inadequate Regional captain and line check airman staffing.

Thanks for sharing that. I know fdx is done taking apps this year and will start again qtr 1 next year. Heard jb might open their window sometime in Feb. Not sure about WN

pretty sure that was single class 50 seaters. Which is what Wisconsin currently flys. However, that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have other plans. Like I said, no one but they know. Speculate all you want, just don’t pretend like you know anything wrt to their planning.

what united plans is a red herring

the issue is what United might be pushed into. Any transition plan for AW would require a year or two to implement. AW’s inability to staff the 200’s through a transition is the big risk.

Which airlines are the big 6 nowadays?

Skywest
Sun Country
Republic
Envoy
Hawaiian
Alaska

Take out Envoy for Allegiant and that’s an accurate list.

Accepting Multiple CJO and class dates
 

Is this common or not at all ?

Yes.

filler

Yep. Then go to the first one that gets you in class.

But You should not hold more than one class date at a time. Cancel once you change plans.

Cancel any classes you're not going to attend at least a week out, they can probably get somebody else to show up and maybe won't hold a grudge. No show = grudge... most definitely don't do that to a WO, they might talk to Dad.

But it's OK to keep future class dates at other airlines while in training, that's actually prudent in case something doesn't work out. Cancel those with reasonable lead as well when you get to that point.