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Old 10-28-2021 | 01:03 PM
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I have offers for Mesa , Gojet and Envoy. Mesa and Envoy are offering bonuses. I want to build my turbine time and upgrade fast. I don’t want to be sitting around waiting for IOE. All the bases work for me but I’m curious to see which of the 3 in everyone’s opinion would be best for flying and upgrading.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jptaviation
I have offers for Mesa , Gojet and Envoy. Mesa and Envoy are offering bonuses. I want to build my turbine time and upgrade fast. I don’t want to be sitting around waiting for IOE. All the bases work for me but I’m curious to see which of the 3 in everyone’s opinion would be best for flying and upgrading.
At best, if hired today, you will be 2+ years from upgrade if you don't have any qualifying time already. In the next 2 years, things are going to be much, much different from what they are today.

GoJet is obviously the worst choice, hands down.

Mesa is the cockroach that will just not die, but it is trying to diversify it's flying (door dash drones?). Envoy is a WO and will have the best in stability.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
At best, if hired today, you will be 2+ years from upgrade if you don't have any qualifying time already. In the next 2 years, things are going to be much, much different from what they are today.

GoJet is obviously the worst choice, hands down.

Mesa is the cockroach that will just not die, but it is trying to diversify it's flying (door dash drones?). Envoy is a WO and will have the best in stability.
Agree with all of the above. Read the first paragraph at least two more times.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
At best, if hired today, you will be 2+ years from upgrade if you don't have any qualifying time already. In the next 2 years, things are going to be much, much different from what they are today.

GoJet is obviously the worst choice, hands down.

Mesa is the cockroach that will just not die, but it is trying to diversify it's flying (door dash drones?). Envoy is a WO and will have the best in stability.
Is Gojet really that bad ? So from what I have read people are going thru training faster at gojet and Mesa is delayed up to 6 months.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
At best, if hired today, you will be 2+ years from upgrade if you don't have any qualifying time already. In the next 2 years, things are going to be much, much different from what they are today.

GoJet is obviously the worst choice, hands down.

Mesa is the cockroach that will just not die, but it is trying to diversify it's flying (door dash drones?). Envoy is a WO and will have the best in stability.
I haven’t been on here since COVID brought things to a standstill, been flying for leisure since. You say 2+yrs from upgrade, does that mean you believe hiring at the legacies and LCCs will slow way down in the next 6-8yrs possibly sooner? Or, what are your predictions? I’m not at an airline, but would like to begin applying to places again.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 02:05 PM
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I haven’t been on here since COVID brought things to a standstill, been flying for leisure since. You say 2+yrs from upgrade, does that mean you believe hiring at the legacies and LCCs will slow way down in the next 6-8yrs possibly sooner? Or, what are your predictions? I’m not at an airline, but would like to begin applying to places again.
Training everywhere has delays of 4-6 months, once out if training it will take about 1.5 years to get to 1000 hours. Anything sooner is a bonus.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jptaviation
Is Gojet really that bad ?.
yes.

mesa or envoy, flip a coin. Say Nojet to Hojet.

carriers will start failing soon. Go jet is high on the list
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Old 10-28-2021 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
yes.

mesa or envoy, flip a coin. Say Nojet to Hojet.

carriers will start failing soon. Go jet is high on the list
It is possible that if major hiring demand gets high enough, some regionals will not be able to staff their flying and that could result in consolidation and some shutdowns.

Silver lining is that *somebody* will hire you immediately at that point, or you will get transferred with your planes to a new regional. Unlike 2020/covid if regionals are failing due to industry-wide staffing shortages there's not going to be entire pilot groups cast adrift with no employment prospects.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
there's not going to be entire pilot groups cast adrift with no employment prospects.
Being cast adrift with good employment prospects is still not fun.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Being cast adrift with good employment prospects is still not fun.
The key there is to read the writing on the wall and jump ship before it happens. The ones who get caught up are the ones who believe management lies about "upcoming opportunities".
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