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Old 11-27-2021, 07:23 PM
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As far as picking a regional airline to work for I would say Alaska ranks in the top 10. It will probably rank in the top 5 regionals if we ever get a new contract but that's not likely for another 2 to 6 years. Also Alaska really likes to hire pilots that have never worked for a 121 carrier as they don't know any better and are more likely to stick around instead of leaving for a better life at the big boy carriers.
Then quit and go work for #4 if you think that's better
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Old 11-28-2021, 08:34 AM
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Go to Endeavor,
highest pay rates
Can commute with only one flight no backup required
For now, it’s also a positive space ticket, no non-reving required to and from work.

Flow to Delta, guaranteed attrition from top of list, not just revolving door of reserve CAs leaving, and lineholders staying put. Also opens up LCA and sim instructor jobs. At some carriers those jobs are held by pilots who will never leave and don’t have flow.

Flow also makes all bases viable, nothing is “too senior”.

12 hour reserve call out combined with one flight commute requirement is viable.

Even if you want to move to base, you’ll have options to commute to a quicker upgrade and make 100k.

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Old 11-28-2021, 10:37 AM
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Do what makes sense for you and what you want. If there is a regional based near the biggest city where you live I would say do that to not commute or find and easy commute. Pay for the most part is pretty close at all of them. Also what do you want to fly? Don’t listen to people who say don’t go to the shiny jet if that’s what you want to fly then do it! Remember it’s career progression. Most people think they are owed something and complain about every little thing and future trip constantly I would say stay away from that. Another note probably 85 percent of the people I flew with at the regionals didn’t want to upgrade when they had the time so just remember that too. Enjoy there is no right or wrong job to pick other than the right one for you
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Old 11-28-2021, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SC320 View Post
Do what makes sense for you and what you want. If there is a regional based near the biggest city where you live I would say do that to not commute or find and easy commute. Pay for the most part is pretty close at all of them. Also what do you want to fly? Don’t listen to people who say don’t go to the shiny jet if that’s what you want to fly then do it! Remember it’s career progression. Most people think they are owed something and complain about every little thing and future trip constantly I would say stay away from that. Another note probably 85 percent of the people I flew with at the regionals didn’t want to upgrade when they had the time so just remember that too. Enjoy there is no right or wrong job to pick other than the right one for you
You were spot on about picking the regional based on aircraft. Pick a regional close to where you live or want to live and go somewhere that will offer career progression and the the upgrade when it comes. Also pick the air frame that will meet those goals as well even the same company offers the prettier air frame that doesn’t check the career progression box and the uglier frame does…..

By all means if all things are equal then air frame choice can be a great tie breaker l….
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Old 11-29-2021, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8 View Post
You were spot on about picking the regional based on aircraft. Pick a regional close to where you live or want to live and go somewhere that will offer career progression and the the upgrade when it comes. Also pick the air frame that will meet those goals as well even the same company offers the prettier air frame that doesn’t check the career progression box and the uglier frame does…..

By all means if all things are equal then air frame choice can be a great tie breaker l….
Given a choice, pick an airframe and company that will likely be around long enough for you to build time and become marketable to a company that you’d like to retire from. Going to a regional with a large 70/76 seat fleet carries much less risk than going to one with only 50 seaters. The regionals are a great way to gain quality experience, but they are just a means to an end. Go where you can meet your goals in the shortest amount of time. Seniority at your career company is the name of the game.
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Old 11-29-2021, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley View Post
Going to a regional with a large 70/76 seat fleet carries much … no a whole lot… no VASTLY… no REALLY VASTLY less risk than going to one with only 50 seaters.
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Old 11-29-2021, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley View Post
Given a choice, pick an airframe and company that will likely be around long enough for you to build time and become marketable to a company that you’d like to retire from. Going to a regional with a large 70/76 seat fleet carries much less risk than going to one with only 50 seaters. The regionals are a great way to gain quality experience, but they are just a means to an end. Go where you can meet your goals in the shortest amount of time. Seniority at your career company is the name of the game.
Not disagreeing with you. While the a seat 50 operator Carrie’s more risk. I just don’t see them going away as quickly. I think someone coming in today can get some quick experience at the right 50 seat operator within the next 3-4 years. They key is getting in the door today…
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Not disagreeing with you. While the a seat 50 operator Carrie’s more risk. I just don’t see them going away as quickly. I think someone coming in today can get some quick experience at the right 50 seat operator within the next 3-4 years. They key is getting in the door today…
in a normal environment where the bean counters have a free hand, yes

if there’s any part of the industry ripe for chaos due to pilot labor maldistribution…. It is the 50 seat carriers. Skywest, Mesa and Air Whiskey come to United and says they need an extra $$$$ to retain pilots. Why would united give $ to each when they could give $$ to mesa and Skywest?
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Old 11-29-2021, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8 View Post
Not disagreeing with you. While the a seat 50 operator Carrie’s more risk. I just don’t see them going away as quickly. I think someone coming in today can get some quick experience at the right 50 seat operator within the next 3-4 years. They key is getting in the door today…
Only upper management knows how fast they’ll go away, but increasing fuel cost and attrition will greatly influence their path. United for instance is supposed to take over 170 deliveries by the end of 2023. The big attrition numbers at the regionals hasn’t really started yet. If fuel prices continue to rise and attrition picks up, the regional model might have to sacrifice pieces to save the whole. Others have a very good chance of just being cut. Air Wisconsin for example only flys 200’s for United and the contract isn’t expected to be renewed when it expires early 2023. Unless they can find another customer for tired 200’s or take over 70/76 seat or the 550 flying currently being done by others, I’d say that going there would be a last resort since the odds of having to start over in a year are pretty good.
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Only upper management knows how fast they’ll go away.
If they go away because of labor ... nobody knows how fast they will go away. It's likely to be precipitous.
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