Swakid8

I’ll wager 5 to 6 years for them to go away…. I’ll be glad to be wrong

Hedley

We’ll just have to wait and see. If fuel prices and regional attrition rise significantly, they could be phased out much sooner than originally planned due to cost and inability to staff the flying. If there are more covid lock downs or a major recession, they could be around longer. That 5-6 year timeframe will also depend on which company is considered. I’d expect SkyWest to be flying a few 200’s around in that time, but I wouldn’t bank on Air Wisconsin flying anything after their contract with United expires in just over a year.

Green Needles

Honestly, I wouldn't even consider Endeavor right now. I would rank us behind the AA WOs, Skywest, Air Wisconsin, and Horizon. We'd rank above GoJet and Mesa, but that's about it. Management is woefully out of touch and shows absolutely no desire to remain competitive for applicants. The American regionals will give you an extra $150,000. Endeavor would give you nothing. Every communication we have received from the union and management indicates no appetite to help our retention or QOL. The only things we have going for us is positive space commuting, but that will go away in less than a year and a flow-ish program for new hires that has yet to be signed. QOL and schedules suck, and we've lost our competitive advantage in pay.

Make your decision based on what's right for you, but there are a lot better options out there than Endeavor. It's not like the old days when management cared about being (regional) industry leading in how they treat their employees.

ZeroTT

Worse than Air Wisconsin? Who doesn’t have a contract or viable aircraft

Slow2Final

That statement continues to really get thrown around a lot lately, but it’s only partially true. You have the potential to get that if you’re crazy enough to wait around for the flow, but not before. Considering how many pilots are leaving for airlines other than AA, not many people will be seeing it.

Green Needles

At least it's there. Endeavor has nothing!

DontLookDown

I thought the same, that seems ridiculous.

But at least Air Wisconsin will likely go bust and force pilots to get other jobs while there is still a ton of movement.

There might be less opportunity by the time poor decisions catch up with Endeavor?

Thats the only way I can angle his perspective to have any validity.

ZeroTT

there is a reluctance to believe unprecedented changes will happen in the next year. There’s some logic to believing things will keep on as they were “long enough”. Might happen but I don’t think so

Zerosilver84

I dunno how much thought I would put into them saying endeavor is the worst regional. It's not. It's in a funk right now but so are other regionals. Our schedules suck because we are barely breaking even on people leaving to new hires coming in. Trips are inefficient but the big issue with that was nyc. I do expect them to get better come January. If we never get any retention for the current pilots then things may never change and we will never be staffed right. For anyone to have a decent qol and more than min days off you have to be almost halfway up the list per base for line holders. The next 4 months are going to be huge for this place. So we will see.

With that all said every single pilot on property has the opportunity to flow to delta so take that as you will.

ZeroTT

with the big 6 hiring 1000 per month, that’s a correct statement for every regional. At least until Mesa folds