Which regional to pick ?
 

I have offers for Mesa , Gojet and Envoy. Mesa and Envoy are offering bonuses. I want to build my turbine time and upgrade fast. I don’t want to be sitting around waiting for IOE. All the bases work for me but I’m curious to see which of the 3 in everyone’s opinion would be best for flying and upgrading.

At best, if hired today, you will be 2+ years from upgrade if you don't have any qualifying time already. In the next 2 years, things are going to be much, much different from what they are today.

GoJet is obviously the worst choice, hands down.

Mesa is the cockroach that will just not die, but it is trying to diversify it's flying (door dash drones?). Envoy is a WO and will have the best in stability.

Agree with all of the above. Read the first paragraph at least two more times.

Is Gojet really that bad ? So from what I have read people are going thru training faster at gojet and Mesa is delayed up to 6 months.

I haven’t been on here since COVID brought things to a standstill, been flying for leisure since. You say 2+yrs from upgrade, does that mean you believe hiring at the legacies and LCCs will slow way down in the next 6-8yrs possibly sooner? Or, what are your predictions? I’m not at an airline, but would like to begin applying to places again.

Training everywhere has delays of 4-6 months, once out if training it will take about 1.5 years to get to 1000 hours. Anything sooner is a bonus.

yes.

mesa or envoy, flip a coin. Say Nojet to Hojet.

carriers will start failing soon. Go jet is high on the list

It is possible that if major hiring demand gets high enough, some regionals will not be able to staff their flying and that could result in consolidation and some shutdowns.

Silver lining is that *somebody* will hire you immediately at that point, or you will get transferred with your planes to a new regional. Unlike 2020/covid if regionals are failing due to industry-wide staffing shortages there's not going to be entire pilot groups cast adrift with no employment prospects.

Being cast adrift with good employment prospects is still not fun.

The key there is to read the writing on the wall and jump ship before it happens. The ones who get caught up are the ones who believe management lies about "upcoming opportunities".

From that list? Envoy for sure…

What better about envoy compared to Mesa ?

Which regional to pick ?
 

And the key to getting rich is selling stocks high and buying when it’s low….

Don’t make this so callous to those who don’t have your crystal ball.

There are plenty still in the regionals who “saw the writing on the walls”, jumped ship, only to be wrong, still stuck at the regionals watching all their ‘stupid friends’ at mainline now. And visa versa.

It’s somewhat of a crap shoot just like the stock market. Be thankful you got were you are and not be condescending to those who aren’t.

reputation for sure

deserved? Debatable. Real? Not debatable

Literally everything. Pay. Contract. Travel benefits. Insurance… I could go on. And on…

Mesa is better positioned to survive that zw or c5.They actually have a product UA and AA want and need ,and pax enjoy flying on , believe it or not .

definitely.

Well first of all, its not MESA and secondly its not MESA and lastly, its not MESA.

You can say pretty much the same for BlowJet.

Mesa,

You'll fly way more and build time faster than Envoy.

At Envoy you'll get stuck on the E145 and be blocking 30-40hrs a month.

reasonable point as the 50 seat fleets will feel pilot shortages first

You can fail out of training at Envoy and immediately start at Mesa as a backup (it’s been done many of times).

Has certificate? Checks.

Fogs mirror? Checks

YOURE HIRED ! Checks

I don't think GoJet makes it till when you would be eligible to upgrade. I mean the only reason I would ever go there is because that is the only regional I could go where I wouldn't have to commute. And even at that I would have serious reservations and consider commuting.

GoJet is where you go when no one else wants you.

I have two CJO's, Envoy & OO. Orientation class date is on Dec 15th with Envoy and I have a 175 class with SKW on Jan 15th. I wIll be living in Tampa FL, knowing that with Envoy I have a remote chance of an MIA base assignment (Non-cadet), would you commute for SKW forever or would you roll the dice with Envoy for the chance of MIA? I'm thinking with the American network it would be easier to commute out of TPA. I understand that I may have to wait to get a shot in two-three years when bidding for CA as cadets will probably suck up all the 175s in class. Moving away from Tampa isn't an option, wish it were. Thanks!

Envoy would be the easiest commute and you’d have flow to AA in your back pocket if you don’t go somewhere else before your number is up. Outside of AA, neither company will give you an advantage anywhere else. Take the easy commute, fly as much as you can, and update your applications frequently. If you’re committed to living in TPA, eventually ending up at AA, or a LLC with a Florida base would be a pretty good gig.

Take the first class date. If you're not happy with envoy after the month then go OO. Don't know how Jr their IAH base is but tpa to IAH shouldn't be that bad. I know Miami looks good because it's in your state but would you realistically ever drive? If driving isn't an option then pick the best commute ( ones with the most flights). While yes Envoy has a flow...right now its at almost 8 years. While moving out of tpa would be hard...as I personally think it's a really nice place to live. Maybe you don't want the flow and end up NK or WN for their Orlando base.

Btw you're commuting for both. Anything imo over 2.5 hrs is a commute.

Awful advice, do NOT listen to this.
You should never leave a regional to another regional within a year. That's a massive red flag. Making a sideways move within a year SCREAMS of probationary release. Good luck explaining that one in an interview.

Ok this is wild. You asked this in another thread and I answered Envoy. But hear me out.

Have you looked at Silver? They have a base in TPA, yeah their pay is a bit lower, but you’re driving to work, QOL could be better. 121 time is 121 time, be it in a shiny new 175 or a shiny new ATR. I don’t know much about them, but it’s worth exploring.

Thank you for the reply, yea I applied to them and they called. What I got from them is straight to cargo in Texas and or SJU on a Saab. They also closed MCO, didn’t feel stable enough to skip on out of OO or Envoy. Allot of Airforce/Airlines mentors who said don’t do it if I had other jet options.

No it's not. Jet time will get your app pulled faster than prop time at most majors (SWA possible exception).

That's why I was told by people who would know, and my personal experience checks with that (phone started ringing shortly after jet transition, very shortly).

Ok that’s fair. Didn’t know much about them.

New hires hired in April this year have a line, flying 90 hours a month. Youll fly a lot and upgrade ASAP. This place isn’t bad at all. I came from XJT with high expectations. Somethings may need some work. But what regional doesn’t has its good and bad. Only came here to build time. Now about to leave for something bigger and better


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This is such a lie dude lmao
Your phone rang because you got another type rating. Airlines don’t care what you fly as long as it’s turbine fixed wing.

You're wrong, I've seen this play out time and again over the years and even more so recently... back in the day when most commuter pilots flew props they obviously hired prop pilots.

And I did not get another type, already had it. Also already had plenty of jet SIC. It wasn't a recent training event either, because I had just gotten one those too on return from mil leave. Only thing that changed was jet TPIC.

They do care. Some more explicitly than others.

"1000 hours of PIC in jet aircraft is preferred"
1000 hours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred1000 hours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred1000 hours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred00 ours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred1000 hours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred100 hours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred1000 hours PIC in jet aircraft is preferred

I got the Legacy call a week after finishing up my fed ride/OE (first jet captan seat but already had 1000+ TPIC in 135 twin turboprops). Hadn’t even updated the app yet. Sometimes things just work out funny.

As far as picking a regional airline to work for I would say Alaska ranks in the top 10. It will probably rank in the top 5 regionals if we ever get a new contract but that's not likely for another 2 to 6 years. Also Alaska really likes to hire pilots that have never worked for a 121 carrier as they don't know any better and are more likely to stick around instead of leaving for a better life at the big boy carriers.

LMAO shut the **** up dude.