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All things equal I would rather have the possibility of flow through over no possibility of flow through. However, it is a carrot as sgrd0q says.
Flow through is a way to recruit and retain pilots. Would I go to a carrier with a flow through vs. one with out... maybe. Would I stay at the carrier if a better opportunity was to present itself... highly unlikely. If I read the Compass flow up/down correctly, which I would imagine the Mesaba agreement would closely match, when you flow back you loose your mainline hire date and start over with the regional hire date. Anyone have any insight on this? (I believe that the details were posted on the Compass website. But, I can't quite remember.) If this is the case I, personally, would never flow back. I'd go do about anything else during a furlough; make better money, let the wife work for a while, raise my kids and keep my hire date. |
If there's one thing that can be sure about this flow through, its gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out. There are some serious pros and cons to it (from a XJ pilots perspective). I'm going to be watching this thing very closely...
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Originally Posted by Holy Toledo
(Post 180158)
Flowthrough? Flowback? at PCL? There has never been any such thing.
Back in 2002, NWA/PCL opened up preferential hiring for furloughed NWA pilots. They had no super seniority and started at the bottom with everybody else. Most were FO's/FE's with little time at mainline, the furloughs didn't go terribly deep. There has never been a flowthrough/flowback provision on paper between the PCL and NWA MEC's. Ever. The only reason any of those guys became captains is because thier seniority held the position and they bid it. Not because of a J4J type deal. see how that works. and the reason they became captains is because of the hiring of street captains. it was an easy pool to get people from. |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 180236)
uh yeah,, i tried to make air quotes but i couldn't find them on my key board so i made real quotes around the word "flowthrough". usually the quotes mean something sarcastic. like this.... Yeah our f.a. is "hot" !....
see how that works. and the reason they became captains is because of the hiring of street captains. it was an easy pool to get people from. |
Originally Posted by Holy Toledo
(Post 180252)
Whatever buddy, I had 4 furloughed NWA guys in my class when I started in early 2003 at Pinnacle. None were street captains.
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 180100)
In my (humble uneducated) opinion, if anything is sold it will be the Compass operating certificate - but not ERJs which will go to NWA (possibly MESABA) to replace DC9s. Doing so will "uncomplicate" the NWA / Mesaba / Compass relationship and management effectively having to deal with three Corporations (redundant expensive management) and three employee union groups. Time will tell.:cool:
". . . . . . Neal Cohen who will be executive vice president strategy, international and CEO-regional airlines. Cohen will have lead responsibility for strategy development, manage NWA’s international passenger and cargo businesses, and oversee NWA’s wholly owned regional carriers. Cohen will report to Doug Steenland, Northwest president and CEO." The centralization of management and intergration of owned regionals has started. Which names will survive ? IMHO - only NWA. The words Compass and Mesaba will be history in a year. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 180308)
yeah, kinda like we aren't hiring street captains today right??? oh wait, they go through new hire, pass checkride, head back to cec, go through upgrade, pass checkride and then they are on the line... all within 3 months... call it what you want, i call it street captains.
You're really talking out of your ass here, most of this happened before you got hired. I know what's happening NOW, I'm talking 4 years ago. |
Originally Posted by sgrd0q
(Post 180140)
The problem with these flow through agreements is not only the cyclical nature of this industry but also the fact that they are never straightforward, explicit or binding in any way.
So in addition to the unpredictability of the industry you have the unpredictability of how management will interpret the agreement or in fact if management will throw out the agreement altogether at any future date for any reason (e.g. to sell off the regional). The bottom line is that these agreements are good for management as it enables them to dangle the carrot in your face, yet ultimately management can do anything they want and the agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. If you go to a specific regional with the hope to flow through to a particular major you will most likely be disappointed. Instead, get you turbine PIC, become marketable and then go where you can go based on the market conditions.
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 180156)
AND ANYWAY,, NWA IS NOT AN AIRLINE I WOULD WANT TO FLOW UP TOO.... ever talked to an employee there?
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 180097)
Flowthrough ha?, for what its worth CAL is taking more XJT guys now than they did with the "Flowthrough"
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[ . :confused: like i have said before you guys will get built up and i can bet you dollars to donuts that within 2 years you will be sold to the highest bidder, and the cycle will repeat itself once again.[/quote]
Fuloughed DC-9 Captains??? Where in the world did you get that info? We never furloughed anyone close to being Captain. |
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