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Wilfortina 03-14-2022 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3388616)
Well, there’s the whole risk of losing a lot of market share that can never be regained if the regionals are simply left to wither on the vine. AA in particular is at risk of this.

Unless that flying is taken up by mainline pilots. It’s a false dichotomy to say that there will be regional jets flown by contractors or no regional jets at all. At UA there are already pay rates set for the E175, so just bring that flying in house!

Hedley 03-14-2022 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Wilfortina (Post 3388724)
Unless that flying is taken up by mainline pilots. It’s a false dichotomy to say that there will be regional jets flown by contractors or no regional jets at all. At UA there are already pay rates set for the E175, so just bring that flying in house!

We don’t have pay rates for the 175. Just the CRJ900, E190/195, and the A220.

Macchi30 03-14-2022 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Wilfortina (Post 3388724)
Unless that flying is taken up by mainline pilots. It’s a false dichotomy to say that there will be regional jets flown by contractors or no regional jets at all. At UA there are already pay rates set for the E175, so just bring that flying in house!

Fortunately for WO pilots, they aren’t contractors :)

Wilfortina 03-14-2022 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3388728)
We don’t have pay rates for the 175. Just the CRJ900, E190/195, and the A220.

I stand corrected!

symbian simian 03-20-2022 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Wilfortina (Post 3387216)
not quite…bringing all the flying in house would be good for everybody. If the mainline unions gave up scope to save the regionals and got pay bumps to do it, everyone would say “they’re jerks and only care about themselves!” But if they don’t help save the regionals, then “they only care about themselves!”

Mainline pilots: "We need to limit scope and bring all the flying back to mainline" (so I get more people below me on the list)
Also mainline pilots: "You need to fly at the regionals to get relevant experience" (I spend a decade at the regionals, so you have to too)

Everyone only cares about themselves.

symbian simian 03-20-2022 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3388067)
90% of the guys i talk to flying is there life. They will retire when they are forced to. The other 10%. Have way better life's and will retire in there early 60’s..

Just for future reference, "their" is the word you were looking for. Not trying to be a duck, but I can't even read that without getting a headache.

Wilfortina 03-20-2022 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3391938)
Mainline pilots: "We need to limit scope and bring all the flying back to mainline" (so I get more people below me on the list)
Also mainline pilots: "You need to fly at the regionals to get relevant experience" (I spend a decade at the regionals, so you have to too)

Everyone only cares about themselves.

Maybe, but I’ve never heard a mainline pilot say that you should spend a decade at a regional. All the ones I’ve met at United are elated to see anyone below them on the list. The ones who have asked how long I was at a regional were congratulatory and none suggested that I should have spent longer there. There are a number of mainline pilots who didn’t fly at a regional at all: CFI straight to ULCC to legacy, corporate, straight military, etc.

herewego 03-21-2022 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3391942)
Just for future reference, "their" is the word you were looking for. Not trying to be a duck, but I can't even read that without getting a headache.

You're shouting at clouds. Convinced the pilot referenced is dyslexic. He's been called out on his spelling for years and it hasn't changed.
Not saying he's a bad person, we all have something in our DNA we can't change and just learn to deal with. He's a smart guy, good pilot, good instructor. Knows a lot about the goings on and understands why OO does what it does. He provides good advice for navigating training and flying the line to new pilots on this forum
But I can tell when he posts something without seeing the screen name based on some tells.
Uses Tell in place of till or until, such as wait tell your dad finds out, instead of wait till your dad finds out.
Uses do to in place of due to. such as you can't drop anything do to not enough reserves, instead of can't drop anything due to not enough reserves
can't get their, there, they're right.

Counselor 03-21-2022 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Wilfortina (Post 3392156)
Maybe, but I’ve never heard a mainline pilot say that you should spend a decade at a regional. All the ones I’ve met at United are elated to see anyone below them on the list. The ones who have asked how long I was at a regional were congratulatory and none suggested that I should have spent longer there. There are a number of mainline pilots who didn’t fly at a regional at all: CFI straight to ULCC to legacy, corporate, straight military, etc.

How is this CFI to ULCC working out training-wise? The training departments at Skywest, Mesa, etc. are tailored to get CFI's with only Cessna flight time to the flight deck of an airliner. For CFI's who skip the regionals, are they struggling to get through training at Spirit/Frontier/Allegiant? How are they doing on the line?

rswitz 03-21-2022 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by Counselor (Post 3392589)
How is this CFI to ULCC working out training-wise? The training departments at Skywest, Mesa, etc. are tailored to get CFI's with only Cessna flight time to the flight deck of an airliner. For CFI's who skip the regionals, are they struggling to get through training at Spirit/Frontier/Allegiant? How are they doing on the line?

I wouldn't think it'd be a huge difference to be honest. Anyone capable of getting through CRJ/ERJ training at a regional would probably pass Airbus training at an LCC. Maybe there'd be some self learning involved without the "tailored to getting CFIs into an airliner" aspect of regional training but I don't even think that accounts for much.

A hundred people on here probly think I'm wrong but that's my opinion.


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