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Hedley 03-05-2022 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by TyWebb (Post 3383737)
We could have made the same argument for COVID and yet it worked out the opposite. Also, covid exacerbated the population shift and now airlines can't stop service from the traditional smaller markets.

UAL alone has dropped around 20 small markets. If the legacy, LCC’s, and freight companies significantly reduce hiring, that would buy time more than anything. Fuel prices went way down during the pandemic also. Prior to the pandemic air travel was predicted to significantly grow. Our ATC system is pretty saturated and the only way to handle that growth is with larger aircraft. Considering that the regionals have all of the 70/76 seat aircraft that they are allowed, coupled with the age, unpopularity, and inefficiency of the 50 seaters, that growth will occur at the legacy level. Unless a viable 50 seat aircraft hits the market quickly, the regional fleets are going to significantly shrink over the next few years. Higher fuel prices will accelerate that. A full blown recession could slow everything down as well.

smooth rides 03-05-2022 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3383721)
How will those things buy time for inefficient regional fleets? Wouldn’t those issues hit smaller markets equally hard, lower demand, and make the decision to park planes already facing retirement that much easier? If a major recession and high fuel prices are on the way, wouldn’t the legacy carriers use their near term deliveries to focus on improving efficiency by replacing older jets, drop low yielding markets, and then use future deliveries for growth when demand returns? Economic forces will definitely affect hiring at all levels, but expensive fuel and lowered passenger demand due to less discretionary income won’t do the regionals any favors. It won’t be good for anyone.


It’ll be interesting to see if the regional airlines will have enough foresight to continue hiring through the next downturn to prevent being so short staffed when hiring picks up again


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PatriotFirst 03-05-2022 06:35 PM

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PorkyMcFuzz 03-05-2022 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by golfandflows (Post 3383416)
The coming recession/depression is about to buy the regionals a few more years.

Inflation
Oil price
Russia
FED interest rate policy mismanagement

The hit on American’s discretionary income is about to bring all of the fun to a screeching halt.

This is all true. But the thing is no one really knows how things will play out post pandemic or how the Russia situation will end. Perfect storm, absolutely it’s going to be a case of music stopping and furloughs at the majors sooner than anyone would imagine.

But as the COVID situation has proven, the opposite can and will happen of what every “expert” prediction may be. Time shall tell, and it appears we don’t have long to wait to find out.

skblu 03-06-2022 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3383750)
Our ATC system is pretty saturated and the only way to handle that growth is with larger aircraft. Considering that the regionals have all of the 70/76 seat aircraft that they are allowed, coupled with the age, unpopularity, and inefficiency of the 50 seaters, .

Where do you have evidence of that? I’ve heard of plenty of airports having gate space and operational limitations but never “ATC saturation” being a thing.

Hedley 03-06-2022 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by skblu (Post 3384166)
Where do you have evidence of that? I’ve heard of plenty of airports having gate space and operational limitations but never “ATC saturation” being a thing.

Poorly worded. I meant airport service volume and ATC at the terminal level. EWR for example is a zoo on a good day. Hub ATC can only handle so many blips per hour but the airspace in between still has some room. Adding flights isn’t an option at many hubs due to congestion, so the next option is to increase the size of the aircraft currently operating the routes.

Swakid8 03-06-2022 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by skblu (Post 3384166)
Where do you have evidence of that? I’ve heard of plenty of airports having gate space and operational limitations but never “ATC saturation” being a thing.

ATC satiation mainly a northeast/SFO problem. That only way for growth To happen at these airports are larger aircraft.

golfandflows 03-06-2022 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3384456)
ATC satiation mainly a northeast/SFO problem. That only way for growth To happen at these airports are larger aircraft.

We need to pay our teachers more.

Excargodog 03-06-2022 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by golfandflows (Post 3384457)
We need to pay our teachers more.

Why reward poor performance?

Swakid8 03-06-2022 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by golfandflows (Post 3384457)
We need to pay our teachers more.

Sorry for typos, spelling errors, and failed use of capital letters. Happens when I am just typing on the phone as I go. Lol


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