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Originally Posted by FlyToFight;[url=tel:3470240
3470240[/url]]No I’m not. I’m saying it’s not cool for a pilot to go through training and then leave shortly after. It’s basic economics. Get it?
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Just tell the truth
Telling the truth, not matter what, brings honestly, intergrity and ethics to an organization. Lying, misleading people and cover ups lead to failures that become inevtiable.
Roughly 77% of new businesses fail in the U.S. There are many reasons but I would say poor management is on the top of that list. Companies that generally succeed have leadership that empowers and inspires people. The Southwest story is one of those stories. If you continue to lie, cheat, hit people over the head, constantly misrepresent yourself and hire bad employees, YOU WILL FAIL. Flytofight, with respect, maybe look at yourself as part of the problem? Self awareness is paramount. Scott Kirby at United seems to have done a 180 because his belief system wasn’t working. This company has been at it for 2 years now and has had a lot of issues, seems it still does, right out of the box. Can it be fixed, maybe, but it has to start from within and at the top. You either get that or you don’t. Here’s some simple questions, ask yourself what your turnover has been like, why, and how much has it cost? Best of luck but I think you need fundamental change. |
Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
(Post 3470249)
Actually it is cool.
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Originally Posted by kevin18
(Post 3470254)
It’s on the company to provide an environment that makes a person want to stay there. Indentured servitude is complete bs.
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Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3470775)
Your right. Pilots leaving just because they get a better opportunity and screwing the company in the process because the pilot fails to honor their commitment is also Bs. Works both ways man
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Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3470775)
Your right. Pilots leaving just because they get a better opportunity and screwing the company in the process because the pilot fails to honor their commitment is also Bs. Works both ways man
Why doesn’t Republic or Endeavor make their pilots sign a training agreement? |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3470240)
No I’m not. I’m saying it’s not cool for a pilot to go through training and then leave shortly after. It’s basic economics. Get it?
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3470828)
the part you’re stuck on is that you naively think anyone owes their employer loyalty.
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Originally Posted by Twr199
(Post 3471075)
Pay more and offer a contact worth staying for. Get it?
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
(Post 3470829)
Why doesn’t United, Delta or FedEx make their pilots sign a training agreement?
Why doesn’t Republic or Endeavor make their pilots sign a training agreement? |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3471090)
Guess you never owned a company. I did. I get it way more than you do
if you seriously think any airline is going to give back any sort of loyalty to an employee, you learned nothing running that business. |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3471135)
Oh, this tired old nonsense.
if you seriously think any airline is going to give back any sort of loyalty to an employee, you learned nothing running that business. No one is forcing anyone to come to this company. It’s funny how people on this board will always find the negative and never the positive. Good luck |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3471137)
Treat the janitor the same as you treat the CEO. Stand by your word. Just because others don’t doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. I learned enough to have a few successful companies so I would say keep digging there pal.
No one is forcing anyone to come to this company. It’s funny how people on this board will always find the negative and never the positive. Good luck https://i.ibb.co/MnMsKxG/5-E5-D3465-...26-ECE65-C.jpg |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3471094)
The same way the military pays for your flight training but the airlines don’t. Fight it all you want, be as negative as you want, no one cares
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3471140)
treat the company the way it treats you. It will NEVER be loyal to you. The instant a decision that harms you will make the company more money, the company will take the money.
https://i.ibb.co/MnMsKxG/5-E5-D3465-...26-ECE65-C.jpg |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3471190)
Damn dude, you must have worked for some real crap companies. Sorry to hear that.
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3471196)
not at all. I’ve worked for great ones. I’m just not foolish enough to think they’d give me a tiny bit of loyalty. They won’t, and they don’t deserve mine. It’s a business transaction; labor for money.
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Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3471250)
A lot are like that and that is very true. But just because they are doesn’t mean you have to be. I’ve been on both sides of the coin as an employee and an employer. Integrity means everything without any you simply become the titanic
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Back on track
So what is the latest then? Still not flying and the profile still doesn’t seem correct? It honestly doesn’t look good at this point and would think it’s survival is questionable. As stated, there is lots of work now and I would go to an established carrier before I risk going to a start up.
Something happened but it’s all hush hush. As someone else wrote, just be open and honest. If you are hiding things, it will come back to bite you. |
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Anyone know what's going on? Their initial plan was to exploit cheap labor, but they backed off once investigated by the DOT / ALPA. And probably when they realized they can't exploit pilots anymore in this labor market. Also CEO was fired from Virgin Australia after less than a year...yikes.
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Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3471094)
The same way the military pays for your flight training but the airlines don’t. Fight it all you want, be as negative as you want, no one cares
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[QUOTE=WiFly;3471632]Anyone know what's going on? Their initial plan was to exploit cheap labor, but they backed off once investigated by the DOT / ALPA. And probably when they realized they can't exploit pilots anymore in this labor market. Also CEO was fired from Virgin Australia after less than a year...yikes.
Attachment 6941[/ Wrong, lies, and more lies. Try again |
Originally Posted by Boats and Hos
(Post 3471479)
So what is the latest then? Still not flying and the profile still doesn’t seem correct? It honestly doesn’t look good at this point and would think it’s survival is questionable. As stated, there is lots of work now and I would go to an established carrier before I risk going to a start up.
Something happened but it’s all hush hush. As someone else wrote, just be open and honest. If you are hiding things, it will come back to bite you. |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3472506)
Wrong, lies, and more lies. Try again How is that a lie? I have hard evidence to support this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Connect's initial plan was to exploit cheap foreign labor. "ALPA noted that Connect Airlines, by seeking to hire Canadian crew, could "hire crew at cheaper rates." The benefit comes from airlines that reduced their workforce, leaving more pilots looking for jobs. This leads the union to claim that Connect Airlines is circumventing US pay scales and market competition forces by using Canadian labor." SOURCE: https://simpleflying.com/alpa-connect-airlines/ Personally, I think this is a sleazy approach which shows that the airline does not value its employees and will see them as commodities when the market allows. (2) Connect's CEO was fired from his role at Virgin Australia after less than a year. "Virgin Australia's second highest ranking executive is heading for the airline's departure lounge after less than a year in the job....It's understood Virgin management decided he was not the right fit for the role." SOURCE: https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...29-gx1m6u.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This took 2 minutes to google, unless I'm completely missing something here this whole operation seems sketchy. If I'm wrong, then provide me with some evidence. I have no interest in this startup at all - living in the midwest, commuting makes zero sense especially when you have no jumpseat agreements or CASS. Despite this, I have a vested interest in the state of the industry and based on your attitude (assuming you are representative of the kind of people in leadership at Connect), I would caution any pilots living in the PHL/ORD areas against considering this operation. |
Originally Posted by WiFly
(Post 3472588)
How is that a lie? I have hard evidence to support this:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Connect's initial plan was to exploit cheap foreign labor. "ALPA noted that Connect Airlines, by seeking to hire Canadian crew, could "hire crew at cheaper rates." The benefit comes from airlines that reduced their workforce, leaving more pilots looking for jobs. This leads the union to claim that Connect Airlines is circumventing US pay scales and market competition forces by using Canadian labor." SOURCE: https://simpleflying.com/alpa-connect-airlines/ Personally, I think this is a sleazy approach which shows that the airline does not value its employees and will see them as commodities when the market allows. (2) Connect's CEO was fired from his role at Virgin Australia after less than a year. "Virgin Australia's second highest ranking executive is heading for the airline's departure lounge after less than a year in the job....It's understood Virgin management decided he was not the right fit for the role." SOURCE: https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...29-gx1m6u.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This took 2 minutes to google, unless I'm completely missing something here this whole operation seems sketchy. If I'm wrong, then provide me with some evidence. I have no interest in this startup at all - living in the midwest, commuting makes zero sense especially when you have no jumpseat agreements or CASS. Despite this, I have a vested interest in the state of the industry and based on your attitude (assuming you are representative of the kind of people in leadership at Connect), I would caution any pilots living in the PHL/ORD areas against considering this operation. |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3472830)
I’m sorry you didn’t get hired here. You spend an awful amount of time on this forum. I’m pretty sure Walmart is hiring for greeters.
To all prospective applicants: think about whether or not you want to work for / with people with the kind of attitude you’re seeing on this forum. Only a handful of employees and already a toxic culture. Yikes. |
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Also it seems the compensation numbers that are being bragged about by this company are artificially inflated by conditional bonuses, etc.
Here are the actual pay rates, taken from Connect’s website. As you can see, they are all below market hourly numbers: Attachment 6948 |
Originally Posted by WiFly
(Post 3472844)
Also it seems the compensation numbers that are being bragged about by this company are artificially inflated by conditional bonuses, etc.
Here are the actual pay rates, taken from Connect’s website. As you can see, they are all below market hourly numbers: Attachment 6948 |
Originally Posted by WiFly
(Post 3472840)
As mentioned in my previous post, I have not and will not be applying for any job with Connect. You called me a liar and I refuted that with hard evidence. Since you are simply resorting to insults and not responding to the evidence I presented, I’m going to assume you have nothing substantive to say. I am SO glad I don’t have to work at Connect with people like you.
To all prospective applicants: think about whether or not you want to work for / with people with the kind of attitude you’re seeing on this forum. Only a handful of employees and already a toxic culture. Yikes. |
Um, Yeah
FlyToFight, you're lying and knowingly doing it, you should be ashamed of yourself. And where is WMrecruiter? The profile should be removed as it's tricking people into things that do not exist at all.
250,000$ you say FlyToLie, where do you come up with that number? If you're not flying and don't have a license, how is all that money being paid? What do you have to do to get it because there is no way in hell a two turboprop operation is handing out 250,000$ (it's really not 250,000) to anyone. There are too many other opportunities right now rather than to go to another up and coming Mesa or GoJets. There is no Flow No CASS No KCM No AIRBUSES It's honestly quite disturbing all this misrepresentation. There doing it on purpose to try and trick people. As someone posted, look at the history of the place! If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know I don't know what does. |
Originally Posted by Boats and Hos
(Post 3473369)
Well FlyToLie, I think we’ve seen enough to paint a picture of DisConnnect. I think taking on some criticism, and again, being open and honest, wouldv’e gone a long way for you.
You have taken the path of calling people mentally ill and losers that challenge the information that has been available since the beginning. I seriously hope that you’re not in management because you won’t survive. Pilot’s will see right through you and not tolerate abuse or lies for very long, money or no money. You seem, agressive and openly hostile toward people. All you needed to do was fix the profile and use this forum as a recruitment tool where PILOT’S lurk. Instead, you’ve gotten into ****ing matches with the very people you might be able to use. Decaf, might be the answer? Now in all seriousness, maybe you’re just stresssed about all this “startup” business. I get it, but, don’t take it to that level, it’s not going to work out. I’ll give my free advice again, FIX THE PROFILE, stop fighting with people and making excuses for the missteps, tone it down and be honest and reliable. No one is against you, you’re your own worst enemy. Listen to what people are saying before you overreact. Either ignore it or chose a better response. Best of luck to you, hopefully it works out. If it doesn’t, it wasn’t meant to be. Pls find a better use of your time. |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3473824)
I think you are mentally Ill. No one is tricking anyone. WE ARE A STARTUP. Did breeze get the A220 the first day????
If you have such a great job why do you care? Loser |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3470240)
No I’m not. I’m saying it’s not cool for a pilot to go through training and then leave shortly after. It’s basic economics. Get it?
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Originally Posted by WiFly
(Post 3473884)
To all prospective pilot applicants: do you really want to work in a toxic environment where people like this are your coworkers? Only a handful of employees and already the culture is toxic. Do yourself a favor and read through this forum so you can get a sense of how Connect management / employees are conducting themselves.
If everything goes to plan, I for one will be smiling and you will continue to create drama. You go ahead. I’m not going to waste one more minute on this. I actually have things to do. |
Originally Posted by Thatsapproved
(Post 3473955)
Soooo many pilots took the 100k flow bonus to AA then after indoc went to delta. Cost of doing business. If they want to keep you they have to give you what you want. It’s a pilots market
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Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3473965)
Most people know that some but not all airline pilots are only about money
Keep the hits coming, this is great! |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3473965)
That’s why airlines pilots normally don’t get a job flying corp. Most people know that some but not all airline pilots are only about money, and screwing each other over in the process.
How many corporate pilots have had their planes sold out from under them? Exactly. There is no loyalty in business, except from sycophants who will get thrown away with yesterday’s garbage if it makes or saves the owner a penny |
Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3473965)
That’s why airlines pilots normally don’t get a job flying corp. Most people know that some but not all airline pilots are only about money, and screwing each other over in the process.
You seem to hate the airline environment, curuous as to why you’d want to work at one. You might be better off applying to corporate jobs. You will not be successful on the airline side if you’re treating your fellow pilots like this. |
Like I said earlier. Your not coming to connect. Waste of my time to reply to uneducated folk. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by FlyToFight
(Post 3474051)
Like I said earlier. Your not coming to connect. Waste of my time to reply to uneducated folk. Good luck!
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