The advanced degree thing stems from the fact that in the military if you want to get past field grade (o4) you are going to probably need the Masters. Then you take an airline like Delta (big on Navy pilots) then airforce, marine, etc. and that skews the bell curve.

Here's a piece of info the originator of this string should consider....

Picking an airline on quick upgrades can be a huge mistake.

1. Don't go to a scab airline like Compass; the quick PIC will be a wash with how many people in the industry will consider your character.

2.The winds of change come in fast. As most of the previous post suggest, you can't really predict much of anything. All it takes is a few Tango Hotels to flip this industry on it's back. Pick a carrier that you can live with if things go south.

3. The jump to a Legacy, is not a for gone conclusion (although that seems to be the attitude with so many young pilots). As I've said before, "if I had a nickel for every guy that thought the regional job was just a temporary thing" then my 401k worries would be over.

Rick7, I'm surprised you haven't been blasted yet for the minority comment, keep your head low.......

Stick

 

Truth hurts. UAL is big on #3.

 

Really? When did this happen?

How can it be condsidered a scab airline when they have a flowthrough/back agreement. Sucks to be at Eagle for that reason also, by that line of thinking.

 

I'm going to say "BS" to this comment. The pilot group of NWA are the folks that voted in this airline. There is nothing wrong with being a street Captain.

So if you are "correct"...which you aren't...would this make Big Sky, Lynx (Frontier's new regional), and many of the other regional airlines who have hired street Captains in the past, scab airlines??? HELL NO!

Get your facts straight before you post erroneous info buddy

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_1489058065

for what’s its worth let me give you a bit o history, when Tuskegee airmen returned from Europe and north Africa during WWII Most if not all were told they were no jobs for them to fly mean while most Anglo Saxon males were getting Jobs flying, remember the Tuskegee project was suppose to prove that African American did not had the mechanical aptitude to operate complex machines i.e. AIRCRAFT.. for some who have a negative view of affirmative action remember this affirmative action was not designed to give a position or job to an unqualified person but to give a QUALIFIED minority a chance they would not have in other words we live in a world where for some to be fair and equal it has to be legislated that’s sad but that’s the world we are living in today, remember Bessie Coleman could not even get a Pilots License in American but had to go to FRANCE to earn it, I know for a fact that black professionals have to work 2 times as hard than their counter parts , but that just makes them 2 times better, I make no apologies to anyone when I put on my uniform and get behind a jet I know the struggles others before me have had and I am grateful for pioneers like the Red Tails and Bessie Coleman, one thing is for certain though we have come along way and we still Have a LONG way to Go. I long for the day when I can walk thru the terminal and not feel the weight of someone stare.

Also for what’s its worth it’s good to have diversity at any company especially in our industry after all we are appealing to a very large demographic.

 

In the Higher Education Amendments of 1992, Congress directed the Department of Education to enter into appropriate arrangements with the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) for a study of civilian aviation training programs. Congress wanted the study to discuss the implications of military downsizing for both training capacity and workforce diversity in the aviation industry. Specifically, Congress was interested in ways to increase the access of women and minorities to civilian aviation jobs, particularly high-skilled jobs as pilots and aviation maintenance technicians ( or "aircraft mechanics").

In 1993, 101,000 people earned their living as pilots and 139,000 worked as aircraft engine mechanics. Women and minorities are vastly underrepresented among pilots and aircraft mechanics. In 1990, 92 percent of pilots and 76 percent of aircraft mechanics were white men, compared with 43 percent of the civilian labor force. Less than 2 percent of pilots were black, less than 3 percent were of Hispanic origin. In 1990, 3.5 percent of pilots were women and 4.7 percent of aircraft mechanics were women.
Historically, the military has been an important source of trained professionals, especially pilots, for commercial aviation. The major carriers have relied on the military for about 75 percent of their pilots. As expected, the military's aviation-related workforce is not noticeably more diverse than the civilian aviation workforce

 

No problem with diversity here, and I don't think that one's flying ability has anuything to do with gender or race. However, I am violently opposed to lowering minimums for minorities...at any modern airline it's just not necessary, you can get by on your merits alone. If there are one or two small operations down in the old confederacy that might actually still discriminate, so what? Do you really want to work for people like that? I sure as h*ll don't and I'm as caucasian as they come.

While I appreciate the struggles of folks in the past (you're absolutely right about the Tuskegee guys) and I respect them for that it's not really that way in most of America today.

If minorities are under-represented in certain fields, the solution IS NOT to simply hire more regardless of qualification...this is fundamentally unfair to all the other qualified applicants competing for the jobs. I understand what happened in the past, but I had no part of it, don't treat people that way, and don't deserve to be punished for things that other people did before I was born (most of my ancestors hadn't arrived here at the time).

I think the solution to under-representation is to improve the educational opportunies very early on...give 'em the fundamental tools and let them succeed on their own.

Regardless of what al sharpton or jesse jackson might tell you, the vast majority of today's americans really have no issue with someone's minority status. Especially folks under the age of 60. Don't let some con-man's agenda lead you to believe you don't belong or fit in.

 

Here's an idea. Hire people solely on merit regardless of their color, race, religion or genitals! The best FO i ever had was a woman. Conversely, the worst FO i ever had was a (different) woman. I don't give two sh%ts about whats between your legs or what color your parents are. Just be good at what you do.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I makes me want to vomit when i think of the injustices visited upon minorities in the past and affirmative action at one time was probably appropriate. That time has passed. Although I haven't flown with anyone of color that i thought got where they are because of affirmative action. They all seemed talented and deserved to be there. I can't honestly say the same thing about some of the females I've flown with.


By the way, you win for best avatar. That histerical!

 

Not Drinking Al or Jesse koolaid but I have had my own experiences and I dont judge every white male or am I bitter,.. but to give you an example, I a few of us were having a discussion at riddle a few years ago in the student lounge when one of the student NOT of colour made the remark that the aviation world was a white mans world, well so happen the person who made the remark happen to be in an Advanced Aerodynamics class I was taking, verdict I busted my *** and EARNED an A he got a C... I dont aggree with lowing the MINS for anyone and thats not what I was inferring I was simply saying that though we have made some strides we still have a LONG WAY to go, I am simply saying that people still judge you because of what color you are, you dont know how many times I was mistaken for the Frigging Red Cap and but my Captiains has never had that problem, Rick I have some stories I would love to share with you over a few beers one day, you would call me a lier but I have nothing to gain by lying, besides I was not raised that way,

 

Did you figure out is was Mater from Cars...its C-5 mater