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Burn it Down 07-26-2022 05:27 PM
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So I got an email from Envoy recruiting today--plus a couple others from Piedmont and PSA over the past week or so. My, how times have changed!

Figured I'd crowdsource some of my research rather than parsing every little detail myself. My first impression is that Envoy has the best deal at present with "50% premium pay for all pilot hourly rates until August 31, 2024," (assuming, of course, they really mean 150%). Are they serious? The others aren't offering/guaranteeing anything like this, are they?

Otherwise, all the other details seem pretty much the same across the three carriers' current programs (I'm looking specifically at their DEC offerings, btw). I'm typed in the ERJ, but I live in the Dayton area, so not sure where to fit PSA on my list. Thoughts?

CFIsoonToBeFO 07-26-2022 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Burn it Down (Post 3467469)
So I got an email from Envoy recruiting today--plus a couple others from Piedmont and PSA over the past week or so. My, how times have changed!

Figured I'd crowdsource some of my research rather than parsing every little detail myself. My first impression is that Envoy has the best deal at present with "50% premium pay for all pilot hourly rates until August 31, 2024," (assuming, of course, they really mean 150%). Are they serious? The others aren't offering/guaranteeing anything like this, are they?

Otherwise, all the other details seem pretty much the same across the three carriers' current programs (I'm looking specifically at their DEC offerings, btw). I'm typed in the ERJ, but I live in the Dayton area, so not sure where to fit PSA on my list. Thoughts?
All 3 carriers have the same payscale (in effect now) and the same work rules (which kick in Oct 1). Only Difference is Envoy is paying 300% on top of the new rates for any open time picked up in all of July

dera 07-26-2022 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3467474)
All 3 carriers have the same payscale (in effect now) and the same work rules (which kick in Oct 1). Only Difference is Envoy is paying 300% on top of the new rates for any open time picked up in all of July
But not in August. Envoy also doesn't have the credit improvement after a certain number of hours a month.

Go where you can drive.

WhyIFly 07-26-2022 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by dera (Post 3467481)

Go where you can drive.
Unless you drive to Mesa or GoJet. Go somewhere else in that case. No Mesa, No GoJet. The rest are all fine.

Otterbox 07-26-2022 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Burn it Down (Post 3467469)
So I got an email from Envoy recruiting today--plus a couple others from Piedmont and PSA over the past week or so. My, how times have changed!

Figured I'd crowdsource some of my research rather than parsing every little detail myself. My first impression is that Envoy has the best deal at present with "50% premium pay for all pilot hourly rates until August 31, 2024," (assuming, of course, they really mean 150%). Are they serious? The others aren't offering/guaranteeing anything like this, are they?

Otherwise, all the other details seem pretty much the same across the three carriers' current programs (I'm looking specifically at their DEC offerings, btw). I'm typed in the ERJ, but I live in the Dayton area, so not sure where to fit PSA on my list. Thoughts?
If you live near Dayton go to PSA.

dera 07-26-2022 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by WhyIFly (Post 3467485)
Unless you drive to Mesa or GoJet. Go somewhere else in that case. No Mesa, No GoJet. The rest are all fine.
Should have specified. In OPs case, go to the WO he can drive to.

Burn it Down 07-26-2022 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by dera (Post 3467481)
Go where you can drive.
Yes, believe me, I get it. My type rating is worth a $7500 bonus at the other two, but DAY is drivable, which is more valuable in the long run. How junior/senior is it?

But what about that 50% premium till 2024 at Envoy? Do the others have that? Envoy's pilot pay calculator thingy says I'd make $262,500 first year and over $200k in the second year with all the bonuses and the premium pay. I'm not seeing that advertised at the other carriers.

WijkocvLife 07-26-2022 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by dera (Post 3467504)
Should have specified. In OPs case, go to the WO he can drive to.
Dont go to PSA if you care about your PRIA. Peidmont or envoy has far superior training.

AllYourBaseAreB 07-27-2022 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by Burn it Down (Post 3467559)
Yes, believe me, I get it. My type rating is worth a $7500 bonus at the other two, but DAY is drivable, which is more valuable in the long run. How junior/senior is it?

But what about that 50% premium till 2024 at Envoy? Do the others have that? Envoy's pilot pay calculator thingy says I'd make $262,500 first year and over $200k in the second year with all the bonuses and the premium pay. I'm not seeing that advertised at the other carriers.
that pay calc is bogus

Yes all 3 are paying 50% premium through Aug 2024 and offer 300% premium when manning is critical

Burn it Down 07-27-2022 06:58 AM
Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3467613)
that pay calc is bogus
Bogus how? Assuming 1000 hours a year, the math seems to work out... But it's math so I'm probably missing something.


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