Military controllers do require a "3-Down" call...at least in the Navy. I still check rolling into the groove and again on final! I've always been told "there are those who have...and those who will!" Looks like a malfunction to me though.
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For the sake of argument, let's say that it was a malfunction. How then does it work good when they finally make the approach the second time. Also, if they were having gear trouble, why didn't the crew declare?
In my airplane, it is very obvious when the gear drops out. The three greens confirm it but I also hear it pop out with increased wind noise and noticable drag. I am waiting to read about this one in more detail. I am loathe to 'Monday morning quarterback' but things don't add up. My .02 |
Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
(Post 184743)
Military controllers do require a "3-Down" call...at least in the Navy. I still check rolling into the groove and again on final! I've always been told "there are those who have...and those who will!" Looks like a malfunction to me though.
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Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.
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IIRC, the reports indicated they performed a manual gear extension (however that works on a 145?). That would explain the ability to get the gear down if it was an indication problem and also the multiple tower flybys.
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IF. . . they had forgotten and at the last moment, remembered to drop the gear, wouldn't have been better to execute a go-around rather than risk what happened? How much trouble would they have gotten into if that had happened?
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Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet? I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on... |
Originally Posted by stewie
(Post 184898)
Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet? I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on... Tell me how many hours we give our Fighter Pilots before we cut them Loose to fly Multi Million dollar aircraft SOLO... the case for the 250 hour wonder pilot has been beaten to Death,, I say it already and I will say it again,, Ill take a Low time person with quality time than a high time person with bad habits and not so good quality time.. |
Originally Posted by Blkflyer
(Post 184910)
STEWIE quit your Bit ch ing...
Tell me how many hours we give our Fighter Pilots before we cut them Loose to fly Multi Million dollar aircraft SOLO... the case for the 250 hour wonder pilot has been beaten to Death,, I say it already and I will say it again,, Ill take a Low time person with quality time than a high time person with bad habits and not so good quality time.. |
I know I'm a little late in my reply. But if you have correct crosswind correction you won't slide off the runway, I've seen it done (granted in a GA plane). I just see It as a much greater risk going around after impacted the ground and scraping the belly.
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