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250 wonder pilot?
The 250hr wonder pilot argument doesn't hold water at Eagle. The captain is most likely a former TWA captain with a bizilian hours and the F.O. has been siting over on the right flipping the gear switch for 8 years.
I'de say from the look of things, there was some mechanical problem. through the whole series of photos, the gear doors don't move. If the gear was cycles late, you would think you would see the gear start to peak out on the go-around. My .02, don't know ERJ systems. Seneca driver |
Originally Posted by stewie
(Post 184898)
Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet? I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on... |
Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
(Post 184764)
Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation. To answer your question, yes, there are circumstances where the gear doors can drop without the gear coming out. However, if in the above scenario, you would have A LOT more indications that there was something SERIOUSLY wrong with the aircraft. Not just a disagreement with the LG sensor, or whatever happeened to these guys. |
Originally Posted by stewie
(Post 184898)
Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet? I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on... I dont use this word unless it is completely neccessary... but in this case it is... DUMBASS!!!! You my friend know nothing of what you are talking about so go post somewhere else. The 2 main facts here are: 1. The gear was indicating 3 green lights and no one knows how this happened, not even EMB. 2. The pilots did a damn good job. This could have been a terrible accident and my hats are off to the two pilots. FOX news has already recieved several phone calls for mis-reporting the facts on this story, and who ever the aviation expert was is a mystery to me, but obviously he is no expert. |
Originally Posted by stewie
(Post 184951)
Military training vs. sub-par commuter training... is it even legal to compare the two? This subject needs to be beaten some more because when airlines have to replace crews because neither pilot has 50 hrs. in the airplane, something bad will happen eventually. Are you fighting this subject so harshly because you are one of them in the right seat of an RJ having to deal with all the ****ed off captains that don't want to teach you how to talk on the radio?
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Originally Posted by Joe84
(Post 184958)
I know I'm a little late in my reply. But if you have correct crosswind correction you won't slide off the runway, I've seen it done (granted in a GA plane). I just see It as a much greater risk going around after impacted the ground and scraping the belly.
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
(Post 184764)
Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation. |
Originally Posted by Illini
(Post 185074)
If my University's system class was right, the doors are held up hydraulically. But, if they had a loss of hydraulic pressure, then the ailerons and rudder wouldn't function. I don't this was the issue.
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Originally Posted by Illini
(Post 185074)
If my University's system class was right, the doors are held up hydraulically. But, if they had a loss of hydraulic pressure, then the ailerons and rudder wouldn't function. I don't this was the issue.
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Originally Posted by Illini
(Post 185074)
If my University's system class was right, the doors are held up hydraulically. But, if they had a loss of hydraulic pressure, then the ailerons and rudder wouldn't function. I don't this was the issue.
But I dont think anyone would just lose all their hydraulics and come on in and land like nothing happen. This incident is some kind of computer error and we wont know what happened until the investigation is done. No more speculating. |
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