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Old 11-10-2022 | 07:20 AM
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There is no such thing as the "1500hr rule". There is a requirement to hold an ATP certificate. There are multiple options to get an ATP at significantly less than 1500hrs.
Are you suggesting that people who work as airline pilots should not have to hold an airline transport certificate?
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Old 11-10-2022 | 08:02 AM
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The current reductions are a joke (I make no opinion on military experience because I haven’t met anyone who has used the military exception at 750hrs). I’ve met 1500hr pilots who shouldn’t qualify and plenty more 1000hr 141 pilots who definitely don’t have the maturity or experience to succeed in training. They don’t know how to reach the application level of knowledge and everything they know is rote and at such a basic level. They do all their experience building at the same 3 airports in steam gauge vfr. Having the experience of actually needing to be a pic is priceless. Making those decisions on the fly in actual imc going into and out of unfamiliar airport, glass cockpit experience, high performance and use of autopilot all are great experience builders. Having a degree in aviation doesn’t make you a leader, more experience or a better decision maker than anyone else with higher education. You’d experience and leadership is build in the cockpit doing new things into new places. Too many 141 instructor pilots are sheltered and carried by their program and the rules set out for them. Sure it gets people ratings but once they have those ratings it does nothing to help an instructor with 250hrs learn anything till they hit 1000.

I would advocate a general reduction for any degree holder and further reduction if you meet certain experience requirements in addition to holding a college degree.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 08:41 AM
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The 1500 hour rule is not restrictive. You can still have a fulfilling career in aviation, can fly almost any jet under
The sun, and fly for 135 operations. The rule is just for 121 operations which isn’t all there is in aviation for those willing to look around.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Cglyn
The 1500 hour rule is not restrictive. You can still have a fulfilling career in aviation, can fly almost any jet under
The sun, and fly for 135 operations. The rule is just for 121 operations which isn’t all there is in aviation for those willing to look around.
That’s not true as it also applies to 135. Specifically if you’re referring to needing an atp to fly in 121 yes you can work as sic in 135 but you still need an atp to act as pic in 135. And besides that you’ll be really restricted because the faa doesn’t rule the 135 world insurance does and the insurance requirements are way more restrictive than the faa most jobs I’ve seen out there also want an atp in the right seat.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 09:27 AM
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It was a political knee-jerk reaction by Congress and Obama to further their agenda on the deaths of those involved in Colgan in order to give a gift to the unions. It had nothing to do with safety.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
That’s not true as it also applies to 135. Specifically if you’re referring to needing an atp to fly in 121 yes you can work as sic in 135 but you still need an atp to act as pic in 135. And besides that you’ll be really restricted because the faa doesn’t rule the 135 world insurance does and the insurance requirements are way more restrictive than the faa most jobs I’ve seen out there also want an atp in the right seat.
This is news to me. I flew left seat 135 with just a commercial cert.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
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It was a political knee-jerk reaction by Congress and Obama to further their agenda on the deaths of those involved in Colgan in order to give a gift to the unions. It had nothing to do with safety.
Did you eat yellow snow as a child? And possibly as an adult?
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Old 11-10-2022 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
That’s not true as it also applies to 135. Specifically if you’re referring to needing an atp to fly in 121 yes you can work as sic in 135 but you still need an atp to act as pic in 135. And besides that you’ll be really restricted because the faa doesn’t rule the 135 world insurance does and the insurance requirements are way more restrictive than the faa most jobs I’ve seen out there also want an atp in the right seat.
You are not entirely correct. PIC only requires an ATP under Part 135 if the aircraft has jet engines or 10+ passenger seats. ATP is not required if it’s a turbo-prop in cargo configuration or less than 10 seats. {Ref. 135.243(a)(1)}

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This is news to me. I flew left seat 135 with just a commercial cert.
Yep, same here.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ToTheTabs
Are you suggesting that people who work as airline pilots should not have to hold an airline transport certificate?
What an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz
Did you eat yellow snow as a child? And possibly as an adult?
Is a response like this the norm for these forums?
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