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JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:23 AM

Airline Pilot Pay - Beyond the #s, NO QUESTIONS PLEASE!!!!!
 
EVERYONE:

It is VERY important that this thread get permanently “Stickied!” So PLEASE follow these simple rules!

First: THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR POSTING INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!

NO QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There will be a separate thread for questions and if it fades then start a new one but NOW QUESTIONS on this thread.

Please, it’s important for newbie’s to understand what goes on beyond the pay numbers listed on APC.

Thank you and please send PMs to those who run this cite expression our need for this topic to remain PERMINENTLY STICKIED!

If you add a new airline PLEASE STICK TO THE FORMAT!!!!!!!!!!!

I can not take credit for the below info, it was cut and pasted from: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=8087

If something needs changing or is incorrect then post a reply with the information in the below format.

THANK YOU!

JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:24 AM

SkyWest Airlines
 
Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html

RJ Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
RJ Reserve guarantee: 75 hours

EMB120 line guarantee: 80 hours
EMB120 reserve guarantee: 75 hours

Per Diem Rate: $1.60

Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled historical block time
• Actual block time flown
• 2:1 duty pay (based on scheduled duty time up to 12 hours)
• Min daily guarantee of 3:45 (Except on CDOs)

PLUS: 1:1 pay for every minute schedule beyond 12 hrs of duty added to above.

100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay

Performance based bonuses after 2 years.

5% (2007) "BHO-Block Hour Override" pay for legs scheduled/flown on the CR7/CR9
BHO increases 1% every year until 2010

New Hires:
• Double Occupancy Hotel
• Uniforms Supplied
• Jepps Supplied
• 60 hrs/mnth Pay during training (if a current employee transitioning or upgrading then it's 70 hrs/mnth plus 24/7 per diem from the first day of training through your sim checkride.)
• Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
• No per diem (except on IOE flights)

Paid Holidays (Paid at 4:18 credit, after 90 days of service) Paid above and beyond guarantee!
• New Year’s Day
• Memorial Day
• Fourth of July
• Labor Day
• Thanksgiving Day
• Christmas Day
User Time Accrual Rate (User time can be used for sick days, personal days, etc.)
• After ninety days .0193 per hour
• After two years .027 per hour
• After five years .0385 per hour

Vacation Accrual Rate
• After six months .0385 per hour
• After five years .0462 per hour
• After ten years .0577 per hour
• After fifteen years .0615 per hour
• After sixteen years .0654 per hour
• After seventeen years .0692 per hour
• After eighteen years .0731 per hour
• After nineteen years .0769 per hour

Uniforms:$150/year uniform allowance

Benefits:

Various health plans - PPO,HMO,High Deductible (after 90 days)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($20.50-$151.58/pay period)

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service provided through Intermountain Health Care (IHC). The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental (after 90 days) $4.78-$13.41/pay period

Vision (available to new hires immediately)
($2.77-$7.38/pay period)

Flexible Spending Accounts

Disability
Short-term ($3.99-$11.95/pay period)
Long-term (paid by SkyWest)

Life Insurance (free after 90 days)
$20,000 coverage for employee, $5,000 for spouse, and $2,500 for dependents
$20,000 AD&D for employee

Legal and Financial Planing Services (after 90 days)
($8.62/pay period)

401k Matching
1-4 yrs service (2%)
5-9 yrs service (4%)
10+ yrs service (6%)

Employee Stock Purchase
The Employee Stock Purchase Plan allows you to purchase SkyWest, Inc. common stock through a payroll deduction at a discounted price. Choose the amount of after-tax dollars deducted from each paycheck. These dollars accumulate over a six-month period and are then used to purchase SkyWest stock at a 15 percent discount from the market price, based on a six-month look back.

Education Savings (available after 90 days)
SkyWest offers a program to assist you in saving for educational costs for you, your children or grandchildren. This plan is a flexible, tax-advantaged 529 college savings plan managed by Alliance Capital. This plan allows you to save through payroll deductions on an after-tax basis for college expenses.

Other Stuff:

No involuntary junior manning

Open time can be picked up at JM pay (150%) as long as the trip starts in the next 10 days. Crew support has the option to deny your request to pick up the open time, but they have to assign it to a reserve right away. If you pick up open time outside of the 10 day window it is straight pay.

Schedules are constructed using a preferential bidding system (PBS). Some like it, some don't. The trick is learning how to use it properly. I screwed up for January and now I only have 11 days off. Boo. Personally, I like it better than the hard lines because it's easier to get a couple specific days off without having to limit your options severely. PBS will build a schedule with no more than 20 duty days in a month, i.e. (10-11 days guaranteed off depending on whether it's a 30 or 31 day bid period).

Automated trip trades and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via company web site.

Excellent company web site. I can't even begin to tell you how much better I like it compared to SABRE (at American Eagle). Very easy to use. And we can keep an e-mail longer than one day! haha (Eagle guys know what I'm talking about)

JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:25 AM

Trans States Airlines
 
Payscales:
on airlinepilot central.

Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled historical block time
• Actual block time flown
• Reserves have a four hour guarantee on days worked
50% deadhead pay
no cancellation pay.

guaranteed: 70 hours on reserve,
74 as a line holder.
Plus you are guaranteed to get paid 95% of you bid award even if you don't fly it do to cancellations.

New Hires:
• 60 hours per month paid
• Used to NOT pay for a hotel, but I heard that may have just changed.
Paid Holidays
• Don't think so.

Vacation Accrual Rate
• No vacation until after one year. Then you get one week of vacation.

Uniforms:you pay all of it yourself, but you can have it paid off 20 bucks per month. Plus you get a 20 dollar per month "dry cleaning bonus" so it offsets it.

Benefits:
Various health plans -2 choices of health plans. both kind of suck.

401k Matching
1 percent matching after one year.

Employee Stock Purchase
We don't have stock. Privately owned. So its wonderful having no shareholders to answer too...

Education Savings
Yeah right...

Other Stuff:
There is Junioring, paid at 150%t

No Pref Bid.
No CASS

Upgrade mins just lowered to 3000total, 1600 turbine, 1200 multi. But for every hour you fly in the 145, you are credited two hours towards total time up to 800 hours. So if you come in with low time, upgrade mins are really 2200 total, 1600 turbing, and 1200 multi.

People are bailing every day. The slogan of the company seems to be "We train em so every other regional can hire em..."

90 percent of the captains I have flown with have told me to get the hell out of TSA while I still haven't accrued much seniority.

Hope this helps, I know I don't have a ton of details about the benefits. If you want more let me know.

JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:25 AM

Republic Airways
 
Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli.../republic.html
Rates Increase by 1.99% each October - Contract ammendable in Oct. 2007

Monthly guarantee: 75 hours

Per Diem Rate: $1.60

Compensation:
Block or Better per leg

75% deadhead pay
Pay Protection for certain situations

New Hires: • Double Occupancy Hotel
• Jepps Supplied
• Pay during training: $1600 1st month, min. guarantee thereafter
• No per diem (except on IOE flights)
• Considered "Probationary" for one year from date of hire. Can still file grievances, vote, etc. but are not able to grieve disciplinary actions.

Paid Holidays (Paid at 4:00 credit ABOVE guarantee)
• New Year’s Day
• Easter
• Memorial Day
• Fourth of July
• Labor Day
• Thanksgiving Day
• Christmas Day

Paid Days Off Accrual (Time can be used for sick days, personal days, vacation etc.)
• Year 1: 4.0 hours a month
• Year 2: 4.33 hours a month
• Year 3: 4.67 hours a month
• Year 4: 5.0 hours a month
• Year 5: 5.33 hours a month
• Year 6: 5.67 hours a month
• Year 7: 6.0 hours a month
• Year 8: 7.0 hours a month
• Year 9: 7.33 hours a month
• Year 10: 7.67 hours a month
Pilots can keep up to 1.5 years worth of PDO's to be used for personal/vacation/sick calls. After that they can be placed in pilots sick bank (can only be used for sick calls) or cashed out. Pilots are charged 4.0 hours per day taken, 18 hours for one week of vacation.

Uniforms:
$200/year uniform allowance

Benefits:

Health plan - Supplied by Great West Medical after 30 days. Various plans for single, married, family. Single pilot plan is $90 a month ($45 per pay period). Flexible Spending account available with a $5,000 maximum contribution.


Dental (after 30 days) Free

Vision (after 30 days) Free

Disability
Short-term ($3.25/pay period)


Life Insurance (free immediately)
Pays 2 times employees base pay rounded up to the nearest $1,000. May not be less than $10,000. $5,000 for death of spouse, $2,500 for death of dependent.

401k Matching
1-6 yrs service (2.5%)
6-13 yrs service (4%)
13+ yrs service (6%)

Pilots must work one year AND 900 hours before company will match. 401k plan is vested 100% immediately for all pilot contributions. Must complete 3 years of service with the company before company match is 100% vested.


Other Stuff:
No junior manning

Commuter Clause - Pilots must list on 2 flights with open seats within 48 hours of the flight. May be used 2 times every 6 months.

Temporary override for any flying conducted outside of monthly scheduled activity. $30 per hour for Captains, $15 per hour for FO's. Pilots called for additional flying are also subject to 4.0 hours of additional pay (negotiable with crew scheduling) and an additional day off that month.

Schedules are constructed using a preferential bidding system (PBS). 12 days off a month for lineholders, 11 for reserve pilots.

Trip trades and open time must be approved via Manager of Crew Scheduling.

FO's are seat locked on aircraft hired into. May upgrade to any airframe when seniority can hold it and possess 2500TT and 500 ME. No street captains allowed unless no qualified pilots bidding for seat on seniority list. Captains are seat locked for a period of 2 years on airframe. Captains may not switch to a lower paying airframe (i.e. a 170 captain cannot become a 145 captain).

Republic Airways Holdings owns Chautauqua Airlines, Shuttle America, and Republic Airways. All pilots are on one seniority list with one contract.
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JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:27 AM

Piedmont Airlines
 
Reserve guarantee: 72 hours

Per Diem Rate: $1.40

Compensation:Paid the greater of:
Scheduled block time (OAG)
Actual block time flown
Min daily guarantee of 4:00 (average over course of trip)

100% cancelation pay
50% deadhead pay

New Hires:Double Occupancy Hotel
Uniforms Payroll deducted
Jepps and binders supplied
Pay during training at reserve garuntee with 1/2 per diem (12 hours a day)

Vacation:Vacation days are used to wipe out a day of work on a scheaduled line, so if bid correctly 5 days of vacation can give you 2 weeks off.

Vacation Accrual Rateyear 1: 5 days
year 2-5(?): 10
Not sure how it works out, but I believe max is 20 vacation days

Uniforms:
No uniform allowance

Don't rember much, but I was paying about $30 a month for what seemed to end up being pretty good dental and health insurance. Even covered chiropractor at %80. There is a 401k with match that increases with years of serivce.

Other Stuff:
Junior manning:
Max 3 junior mans per year. Junior man days are paid at normal credit + 4 hours.

Schedules are bid as hard lines. There aren't any big bases, so they just drop off a pile of the available lines in each crew room, you decide which you want, fax it back in, and 1 week later the awards are published and you find out out someone junior to you inexplicably got what you bid for.

Trades are done via the crew room swap board and word of mouth. You both fax the request to scheduling and they then pretend they never got it.

Travel benefits on US airways are free. You only pay international taxes. Your spouse and children travel free, and if you are unmarried you may designate a "registered guest" who has those beneifts (however, the value of their travel [@ ID90 rate{10% of full Y fare}] will be added to your paycheck as "imputed income" and taxed along withyour wages). Parents travel cheap (don't rember the rate), and you get 8 one way guest passea year. The guest pass cost is based on zone travel and may cover multiple segments cost range from $25(intrazone)-$100(transatlantic). You have free access to the hub which gives load info and allows you to list and use guest passes and the 1-800 # which actauly gives loads and IS NOT voice activated. Thank god, and hint hint UAL.

Thats all I remember infomration is subject to change and may also be flat out wrong. Additions encouraged and welcomed.

JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:28 AM

Great Lakes Airlines
 
Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html

Turboprop Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Turboprop Reserve guarantee: 75 hours

Per Diem Rate: $1.20

Compensation:
Paid historical block

No cancelation pay
50% over-guarantee deadhead pay

New Hires:
* Double Occupancy Hotel
* Buy your own uniforms
* No Jepps for FO's, company buys Jepps, but not binders, for captains.
* No pay during training
* Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
* No per diem (except on IOE flights) during initial training.

Paid Holidays (Paid at 3:45 credit)
* New Year’s Day
* Memorial Day
* Fourth of July
* Labor Day
* Thanksgiving Day
* Christmas Day

Uniforms:Company pays a small amount (not sure how much) after 2 years online.

Benefits:
Health care - PPO (after 90 days)

Life Insurance available (minimal cost)

401k Matching
Matches 4% if you contribute 10% of your paycheck.

Other Stuff:

Reserves cannot pick up open time, except on "off" days
Initial captain upgrade is always to the Beech
No reserve lines
Min days off: 10/month
Junior man always pays 3:45 over guarantee
CASS participant
Part 135 flight/duty time limitations for Beech 1900 pilots

JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:30 AM

ExpressJet Airlines
 
Current Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...xpressjet.html

Contract through 11/30/2010Rates increase by 3% per year each 12/1/xx

Future planned Upgrades:
December: 64
January: 64
February: 32

Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Charter Guarantee: 90 hours

Charter pays: applicable pay plus $18/hour override.
Minimum 5.5 hours per day at override rate.

Per Diem Rate: $1.65
(increases by $0.05 yearly each 12/1)

SCHEDULING:Regular lines: Min 12 days off per bid period
Reserve: Min 11 days off per 30 day bid period
Min 12 days off per 31 day bid period
Charter: Min 14 days off per bid period

Compensation:Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled block time
• Actual block time flown by segment
• Min daily guarantee of 3:00

100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay

New Hires:• Double Occupancy Hotel
• Uniforms are Payroll Deduct
• Jepps Supplied
• Per Diem during training $1500 (+/-)
• Once PC is complete, you begin receiving MMG (minimum monthly guarantee)
• Positive space travel provided to and from training and Home of record

Other pay Credits
• Drug Alcohol testing (30 minutes pay)
• CBT / Home study (1 hour pay for 2 hour study)
• Profit Sharing
• On-time bonuses from CAL

Vacation Accrual Rate
• Year 1: 7 days (7/12 days per month)
• Year 2-6: 14 days (14/12 days per month)
• Year 7-10: 21 days (21/12 days per month)
• Year 11+: 28 days (28/12 days per month)
Pay is 3.75 hours per day.

Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance

Benefits:
Various health plans – (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($20 and up depending on # covered and deductible)

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service. The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment) Cost…
Vision $5-15/mo
Flexible Spending Accounts

Disability
Short-term
Long-term

Life Insurance
Legal and Financial Planing Services

401k Matching
1-5 yrs service 100% up to 4%
5-9 yrs service 100% up to 5%
10+ yrs service 100% up to 6%

Other Stuff:
Junior Manning is at 150% of the greater of:
- 3.75 Hours per duty period
-Trip pay as calculated

RED FLAGGED Open time can be picked up by lineholders at JM pay (150%).

Bidding can be done via online system. Bid via default (line number order), or assign values to re-order the lines for yourself. You can pick how you want them ordered based on line value, types of trips (1day / 2day), days off, etc. etc.

Automated trip trades, trip advertisements, and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via crew web site. Some websites will be changing as we become more independent and use less of CAL’s infrastructure.

JetJock16 06-28-2007 11:32 AM

Air Wisconsin
 
Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...wisconsin.html

RJ rates increase by 1.5% every October

In addition, CA's get a 3% raise over industry average in 2008, and a 4% raise over industry average in 2010. Industry average is computed as the largest 6 suppliers of 50 seat ASM's. FO's after first year receive 60% of CA compensation (so pay goes up basically based upon CA rates)

CRJ 200 Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
CRJ 200 Reserve guarantee: 75 hours

Days off: 12 line holders AND reserves

Long Call - beeperless, 2 day call out, not available anywhere else.

Per Diem Rate: $1.50, increased to $1.60 in 2008.

Compensation:Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled historical block time (leg by leg basis)
• Actual block time flown (leg by leg basis)
• 2:1 duty pay (based on actual AND scheduled duty time)
• 4:1 trip rig based upon TAFB
• Min lineholder daily guarantee of 3:00 (CDO's 5:00)
• Min reserve daily guarantee 4:10
• Min Long Call daily guarantee 4:30

100% cancellation pay (for any reason)
100% deadhead pay

New Hires:
• Single Occupancy Hotel
• Uniforms Deducted from pay
• Jepps AND binders Supplied
• Full pay during training (min guarantee @ first year pay x monthly guarantee) Full pay while waiting for OE, Per diem on OE

Paid Holidays
No paid holidays for pilots.

Sick Time Accrual Rate
• From day 1, 3.5 hours per month, or 0.047 hours per hour (based upon monthly guarantee)

Vacation Accrual Rate
• First year of service - .58 (.58 x 12 months = 7 days)
• More than 1 year of service - 1.16 (1.16 x 12 months = 14 days)
• More than 5 years - 1.75 (1.75 x 12 months = 21 days)
• More than 10 years of service - 2.33 (2.33 x 12 months = 28 days)
• More than 19 years of service -
2.92 (2.92 x 12 months = 35 days)

Primary vacation has trip touching, allowing 7 days of vacation to be turned into 18+ days off. This is because AWAC doesn't have PBS (yet, being forced down throats to allow them to be "more competitive").

Uniforms:$260/year uniform allowance
$50/year headset allowance (to be used @ $300)

Benefits:Available after 2 weeks

Various health plans - PPO, HMO, Comprehensive
Costs are between $37 - $160 per paycheck ($75 - $260/month) Low end is for the HMO, high end is the Comprehensive plan with family coverage. Note: These rates were just increased upwards of 75% 2 months ago.

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service provided through Intermountain Health Care (IHC). The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental
$~3-$4/pay period, two plans

Flexible Spending Accounts

Disability
Short-term ~ $2.5 bi-weekly
Long-term ~$10 monthly

Life Insurance (free immediately)
$50,000 coverage for employee
Additional coverages can be bought for spouse and dependents, as well as ADD insurance

401k Matching
Now thru 2008: 100% @ 4% of wages, additional 3% regardless of pilot contributions, for a total of 7%
After 2008: 100% @ 5%, additional 3% regardless of pilot contributions, for a total of 8%.

401k starts immediately, funds are matched after 1 year, fully vested after 6 years on property

Employee Stock Purchase
AWAC is privately held.

Education Savings (available after 90 days)
Nothing you can't do by yourself (like Skywest's plan).

Other Stuff:
No involuntary junior manning (everyone says that)

Open time can be picked up at premium pay (150%) as long as it's picked up within 4 days of the next bid period (basically 4 days prior to the beginning of the month).

Schedules are constructed using line bidding. PBS sucks, it awards the top percentage of senior people the best trips and everyone else suffers. It also kills your vacation trip touching, which essentially cuts your vacation time in half.

Pilotpip 06-28-2007 02:25 PM

TSA just lowered upgrade minimums(another thread on that). We are also CASS participants.

During training there's an $800 living stipend (pittance). $200 in the second and fourth week of groundschool, the remaining at the end of IOE.

bender 06-28-2007 04:09 PM

SkyWest's training pay is a 60 hour guarantee. Holiday pay is also paid above guarantee.

kansas 06-28-2007 08:52 PM

Changes to what I orginally posted about Great Lakes:

401(k): 100% of the first 4% you contribute is matched.

Junior manning:
Paid a minimum of four hours credit for each duty period for which you are junior manned.
May not be junior manned for more than two days off in a month.
Trip extensions under four hours of duty do not count as a junior man.

Part 135 flight/duty time limitations for all pilots, not just Beech pilots.

newcfii 06-29-2007 08:15 AM

Any info. on ASA ans PSA? That would be helpful as well! Great Post!!

Boman 07-17-2007 12:32 PM

This thread should have a sticky.

JetJock16 01-08-2008 07:01 AM

Psa
 

Originally Posted by Florida Flyer (Post 294975)
Hey there O2...I can't speak for Pinnacle or Mesa since I've never worked there, but I can speak for PSA. When it comes to chosing an airline, there are many pros and cons that you must evaluate, many of which are highly dependent on your individual circumstances. For instance, the PSA contract guarantees a minimum of 10 days off a month, compared to Mesa's 8. If you're already living in a Mesa base, perhaps having 8 days off is better than having 10 days off if you intend to commute to a PSA base (which can drastically cut into your days off). I'll list as many pertinent facts about the PSA contract and training as I can recall, but remember, only you can accurately weigh the pros and cons as they apply to your circumstances. (i.e. the airline that's perfect for person A may be an absolute misery for person B).

1) During training at PSA, you single occupancy hotle room is paid for by the company. (I believe Pinnacle pays for dual occupancy--i.e. you get a roomate).

2) Training pay is 72 hrs per month (the minimum reserve guarantee) PLUS per diem 24/7 while you are in training.

3) PSA has no training contract (i.e. they do not require you to repay your training expenses to the company should you leave before completing 1 year of service.) This is an important note because Mesa does have a training contract--should you get sick of Mesa and leave after 6 months, you'll likely be sent a bill for thousands of dollars to cover your training expenses. Definitely not a good thing.

4) The training dept. at PSA is VERY professional and competent. In my class, we had a 95% pass rate, and for the two classes before me, we had a 95% and 100% pass rate. The instructors are top notch and definitely willing to help you if you're willing to help yourself. Also, only two months elapsed from my first day of ground school to my first day of IOE--a respectably efficient timeframe.

5) PSA is hiring alot right now- now is a great time to come here, as your seniority will grow fast.

6) As of now, all new hires are getting assigned either DAY or TYS out of training. CLT is a senior base and will take at least 6 months to hold. If you intend to commute, CLT is a good base bc of the later show times for trips originating in CLT (i.e. some trips are commutable on at least one end, sometimes both ends, out of CLT.) DAY has a lot of early shows and is less suitable for commuting. However, I strongly suggest living in base, as reserve is so much more pleasant sitting at home as opposed to a hotel or crash pad.

7) Speaking of reserve, expect it for the first 3-5 months, after which you'll likely be able to hold a line. Reserve here isn't so bad if you live in base. At DAY and CLT, you have an hour and a half call out, and in TYS, a one hour call out. Another good reason to live in base is that your reserve window is not assigned until the day before. (i.e. If you're scheduled to be on reserve on the 15th, you have to call scheduling on the 14th to find the reserve window for the next day). This makes it extremely difficult to commute to reserve, as you don't know your window to the day prior. (This is definitely a con!)

8) Should you choose to commute (I'd not reccomend it for the first year), we do have a commuter policy. Basically, you have to list yourself on two flights that would get you to domicile before your show time. Should you be unable to get to base in time, you'll be excused if you followed the above requirement. The downside is that if you don't get to work on time, scheduling will likely assign a reservist your trip and make you take the place of the reservist....i.e. you'll get to sit reserve while someone else flies your trip for 4 days.

9) The contract guarantees us a minimum of 10 days off, and there must be 2 groups of 3 consecutive days off.

10) You can pick up open time on your days off. If you do, you'll get paid 1.5 times your hourly rate for a minimum of 4 hours. (SO...if you pick up a quick out and back that is blocked for 2 hrs, they'll still pay you 4 hours at 1.5 hourly rate...not a bad deal!)

11) Unfortunately, if nobody covers the open time and they run out of reserves, they can Junior man you. This means that if they call you and if you answer the phone, they can contractually compel you to cover the flight, even on your day off. IF you get junior manned, the contract stipulates that you get paid 1.5 your hourly rate for a minimum of 4 hours (same deal as above for picking up open time). But, the good news is that the contract also says that scheduling must "give you back" your off day that they made you work on. They must give it back to you in the month they "stole" it from you or the next mont immediately following. You can be JM'ed no more than 3 times per month or 10 times per year, per our contract. To be honest, JM is relatively rare around here. I'd doubt they'd call you more than once or twice a year, and remember, just don't answer your phone on your days off. That'll avoid you getting JM'd alot of the time.

12) Once you do become a line holder, expect the avg. line to be worth 85 hrs of credit time. (Note: Reserve guarantee is 72 hrs, Line Holder's guarantee is 75 hrs)

Overall, I've been very happy here at PSA. I live in base and am home with my family alot. But only you can weigh the plusses and minuses of a career at XYZ airline, as only you know what suits your life circumstances the best. If there is any other contract info or any other questions you have about training, bases, or life in general at PSA, please feel free to private message me or post your questions here. I was in your same position not so long ago, so I know what it's like to be investigating a variety of airlines. I wish you best in your search for a job, and good luck!

Florida Flyer

Let's keep this tread alive.

If you don't see your airlines on here, PLEASE take the time and post a reply using one of the above formats (keep things constant). Newbie's and those looking to make a lateral move need to know this information in order to make an educated decision that will affect the rest of their lives.

Let's continue to help each other.

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NetJets_DA2Easy 01-08-2008 12:20 PM

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15 day flex

NetJets_DA2Easy 01-08-2008 12:29 PM

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7 on 7 off

Nevets 01-08-2008 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 186647)
Current Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...xpressjet.html

Contract through 11/30/2010Rates increase by 3% per year each 12/1/xx

Future planned Upgrades:
December: 64
January: 64
February: 32

Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Charter Guarantee: 90 hours
Instructor Guarantee: 90 hours

Ground Instructor pays: applicable pay plus $12/hour override.
Aircraft/Simulator Instructor pays: applicable pay plus $15/hour override.
Check Airman pays: applicable pay plus $18/hour override.
Aircrew Program Designee pays: applicable pay plus $21/hour override.
Minimum 5 hours per training event at override rate.

Charter pays: applicable pay plus $18/hour override.
Minimum 5.5 hours per day at override rate.

Per Diem Rate: $1.70
(increases by $0.05 yearly each 12/1)

SCHEDULING:Regular lines: Min 12 days off per bid period
Reserve: Min 11 days off per 30 day bid period
Min 12 days off per 31 day bid period
Charter: Min 14 days off per bid period
Instructor: Min 12 days off per month

No PBS - Pilot Committee builds trips and lines.
Scheduled or rescheduled duty day will not exceed 13.5 hours or
11.5 hours for duty that begins between 2101LT to 0429LT (except for stand up trips).
Stand up trips not scheduled to exceed 14 hours, no layovers of less than 6 hours, and a maximum of 3 segments preceding the layover, and a maximum of 1 segment following the layover. These trips will not be built into lines; they will only be put in open time.
Maximum of six legs per duty day.
Regular lines will not average more than 88 block hours and no lines are built with more than 95 hours.
At least 2 days free from all duty will be scheduled between trips that operate between 0100 LT and 0400 LT and trips that do not operate between this period.
Trips will only be constructed with one to four day trips.
Lines will be constructed to provide at least 2 days off at the pilot’s domicile during any 7 consecutive day period.
A trip that operates between 0100 LT and 0400 LT will be constructed with no more than 2 segments.
Personal Drop with adequate coverage or crew scheduling consent.
Bad Day Worse Day Trades for lineholders and reserve pilots.
Short Call Reserve - 2 hour callout.
Long Call Reserve - 12 hour callout.
Aggressive Pick Up Window for reserve pilots.
Floating Reserve Lines - 2 extra days off.
The largest block of days off for reserve pilots are immovable.


Compensation:Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled block time
• Actual block time flown by segment
• Min daily guarantee of 2:00
• 3:00 for calender day layover

100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay

New Hires:• Double Occupancy Hotel
• Uniforms are Payroll Deduct
• Jepps Supplied
• Per Diem during training $1500 (+/-)
• Once PC is complete, you begin receiving MMG (minimum monthly guarantee)
• Positive space travel provided to and from training and Home of record

Other pay Credits
• Drug Alcohol testing (30 minutes pay)
• CBT / Home study (1 hour pay for 2 hour study)
• Profit Sharing
• On-time bonuses from CAL
• Customs at hubs (10 minutes pay)
• Repositioning (12 minutes for domestic airport except EWR, 24 minutes for EWR, 30 minutes for arrival from international destination)
• 150% pay for voluntarily training on day off
• 150% pay for trips picked up when reserve coverage is less than 10%


Vacation Accrual Rate
• Year 1: 7 days (7/12 days per month)
• Year 2-6: 14 days (14/12 days per month)
• Year 7-10: 21 days (21/12 days per month)
• Year 11+: 28 days (28/12 days per month)
Pay is 3.75 hours per day.
Paid the greater of monthly guarantee or line value. May pick up trips during vacation days or days off as add pay.
Instructors receive two additional personal days and holidays off with pay.

Sick Time Accrual Rate
4 hours per month starting from the month of groundschool

Perfect Attendance Program
Two separate six month periods

Elegibility for FMLA
Yes - entitlement codified into contract

Emergency Leave
Up to 3 days with no reduction of monthly guarantee

Bereavement Leave
Four consecutive days with no reduction of monthly guarantee

Education Leave
A pilot may be granted an educational leave for a period not to exceed 1 year. At the end of the leave, he may apply for
additional educational leave.

Personal Leave
A personal leave of absence may be requested by a pilot

Adoption Assistance Program
Reimbursement for eligible adoption expenses

Scholarship Program
Assist employees, their children, or spouses who plan to continue education in college or vocational school programs. Scholarships are offered each year for study at an accredited institution of the student’s choice. Up to 15 awards for $1,500 dollars will be granted each year.

W.I.N.G.S. Program
When In Need Get Support – An employee-funded program for co-workers overcome by personal tragedies, natural disasters, or other situations creating a dire financial need.


Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance

Benefits:
Various health plans – (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($15-240/mo depending on # covered and deductible)

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service. The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment) $18-98/mo depending on HMO/PPO and # covered
Vision $9.78-24.31/mo depending on # covered
Flexible Spending Accounts - Health Care and Dependant Care

Disability
Short-term
Long-term

Life Insurance Paid by the company up to 1x your base annual pay
Supplemental Life Insurance
Spouse Life Insurance
Child Life Insurance
Personal Accident Insurance
Business Accident Insurance - $200,000 paid by the company


401k Matching
1-5 yrs service 100% up to 4%
5-9 yrs service 100% up to 5%
10+ yrs service 100% up to 6%

Defined Contribution Plan
<5 years 2.5%
5-10 years 4%
10-15 years 5%
15-20 years 5.5%
>20 years 6%

Employee Stock Purchase Plan
Active employees can purchase XJT stock through payroll deductions at a 15% discount


Other Stuff:
Junior Manning is at 150% of the greater of:
- 3.75 Hours per duty period
-Trip pay as calculated

RED FLAGGED Open time can be picked up by lineholders at JM pay (150%).

Bidding can be done via online system. Bid via default (line number order), or assign values to re-order the lines for yourself. You can pick how you want them ordered based on line value, types of trips (1day / 2day), days off, etc. etc.

Automated trip trades, trip advertisements, and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via crew web site. Some websites will be changing as we become more independent and use less of CAL’s infrastructure.

Made some changes/additions. They are in red.

Nevets 01-10-2008 11:01 AM

This needs to be a sticky!

Lab Rat 01-10-2008 11:39 AM

How will perspective mergers affect pay and QOL issues?

If Delta is planning to merge, any thoughts/speculations on who it might be with?

Comments/questions welcome. :D

Lab Rat 01-10-2008 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Boman (Post 197258)
This thread should have a sticky.

What's a sticky?

flyguyniner11 01-10-2008 12:12 PM

yeah a sticky

JetJock16 01-10-2008 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 296971)
How will perspective mergers affect pay and QOL issues?
If Delta is planning to merge, any thoughts/speculations on who it might be with?
Comments/questions welcome. :D

No QUESTIONS!!!! No DISCUSSIONS!!!! Just INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want this thread to be easily scanned for info one needs in order to make an informed life altering decision! If I need to keep reposting this thread to keep the Q & A's out then I will. If you want to discuss then start a new thread!!!!!

Thank You! & if anyone has any new information about their airline or one that has not been posted yet, PLEASE POST!!!!!

Lab Rat 01-10-2008 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 297049)
No QUESTIONS!!!! No DISCUSSIONS!!!! Just INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want this thread to be easily scanned for info one needs in order to make an informed life altering decision! If I need to keep reposting this thread to keep the Q & A's out then I will. If you want to discuss then start a new thread!!!!!

Thank You! & if anyone has any new information about their airline or one that has not been posted yet, PLEASE POST!!!!!

Is Atlas hiring? :D

EMB120IP 01-10-2008 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 186645)
Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html

Turboprop Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Turboprop Reserve guarantee: 75 hours

Per Diem Rate: $1.20

Compensation:
Paid historical block

No cancelation pay
50% over-guarantee deadhead pay

New Hires:
* Double Occupancy Hotel
* Buy your own uniforms
* No Jepps for FO's, company buys Jepps, but not binders, for captains.
* No pay during training
* Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
* No per diem (except on IOE flights) during initial training.

Paid Holidays (Paid at 3:45 credit)
* New Year’s Day
* Memorial Day
* Fourth of July
* Labor Day
* Thanksgiving Day
* Christmas Day

Uniforms:Company pays a small amount (not sure how much) after 2 years online.

Benefits:
Health care - PPO (after 90 days)

Life Insurance available (minimal cost)

401k Matching
Matches 4% if you contribute 10% of your paycheck.

Other Stuff:

Reserves cannot pick up open time, except on "off" days
Initial captain upgrade is always to the Beech
No reserve lines
Min days off: 10/month
Junior man always pays 3:45 over guarantee
CASS participant
Part 135 flight/duty time limitations for Beech 1900 pilots



-Life insurance: $10,000, at no cost to the pilot
-401K: Pilot can contribute as much as they want, but company will match 100% up to 4% per paycheck. Most pilots just contribute 4%.
-UNI's: After 2 years, company will reimburse up to $250 (I believe).
-Per Diem: will be raised to $1.35 March 2008.
-Reserves can trade trips with a line holder, but only to trade their reserve for the flying. (must trade the whole stretch of reserve)
-Upgrades either to the beech or brasilia (changed within the last 6 months.
-Part 135 rules for beech and brasilia (less than 31 seats or 7500 lbs payload)

JetJock16 01-17-2008 01:27 PM

Keeping "No.5 Alive." :)

Nevets 01-17-2008 01:37 PM

More additions in red

Current Payscales:http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...xpressjet.html

Contract through 11/30/2010Rates increase by 3% per year each 12/1/xx

Future planned Upgrades:
December: 64
January: 64
February: 32

Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Charter Guarantee: 90 hours
Instructor Guarantee: 90 hours

Ground Instructor pays: applicable pay plus $12/hour override.
Aircraft/Simulator Instructor pays: applicable pay plus $15/hour override.
Check Airman pays: applicable pay plus $18/hour override.
Aircrew Program Designee pays: applicable pay plus $21/hour override.
Minimum 5 hours per training event at override rate.

Charter pays: applicable pay plus $18/hour override.
Minimum 5.5 hours per day at override rate.
All charter pilots are home based.
Charter pilots keep airline miles and hotel reward points as well as travel benefits provided to all pilots.


Per Diem Rate: $1.70
(increases by $0.05 yearly each 12/1)

SCHEDULING:Regular lines: Min 12 days off per bid period
Reserve: Min 11 days off per 30 day bid period
Min 12 days off per 31 day bid period
Charter: Min 14 days off per bid period
Instructor: Min 12 days off per month

No PBS - Pilot Committee builds trips and lines.
Scheduled or rescheduled duty day will not exceed 13.5 hours or
11.5 hours for duty that begins between 2101LT to 0429LT (except for stand up trips).
Stand up trips not scheduled to exceed 14 hours, no layovers of less than 6 hours, and a maximum of 3 segments preceding the layover, and a maximum of 1 segment following the layover. These trips will not be built into lines; they will only be put in open time.
Maximum of six legs per duty day.
Regular lines will not average more than 88 block hours and no lines are built with more than 95 hours.
At least 2 days free from all duty will be scheduled between trips that operate between 0100 LT and 0400 LT and trips that do not operate between this period.
Trips will only be constructed with one to four day trips.
Lines will be constructed to provide at least 2 days off at the pilot’s domicile during any 7 consecutive day period.
A trip that operates between 0100 LT and 0400 LT will be constructed with no more than 2 segments.
Personal Drop with adequate coverage or crew scheduling consent.
Bad Day Worse Day Trades for lineholders and reserve pilots.
Short Call Reserve - 2 hour callout.
Long Call Reserve - 12 hour callout.
Aggressive Pick Up Window for reserve pilots.
Floating Reserve Lines - 2 extra days off.
The largest block of days off for reserve pilots are immovable.


Compensation:Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled block time
• Actual block time flown by segment
• Min daily guarantee of 2:00
Min daily guarantee of 3:45 for trips picked up on day off
• 3:00 for calender day layover

100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay

New Hires:• Double Occupancy Hotel
• Uniforms are Payroll Deduct
• Jepps Supplied
• Per Diem during training $1500 (+/-)
• Once PC is complete, you begin receiving MMG (minimum monthly guarantee)
• Positive space travel provided to and from training and Home of record

Other pay Credits
• Drug Alcohol testing (30 minutes pay)
• CBT / Home study (1 hour pay for 2 hour study)
• Profit Sharing
• On-time bonuses from CAL
• Customs at hubs (10 minutes pay)
• Repositioning (12 minutes for domestic airport except EWR, 24 minutes for EWR, 30 minutes for arrival from international destination)
• 150% pay for voluntarily training on day off
• 150% pay for trips picked up when reserve coverage is less than 10%


Vacation Accrual Rate
• Year 1: 7 days (7/12 days per month)
• Year 2-6: 14 days (14/12 days per month)
• Year 7-10: 21 days (21/12 days per month)
• Year 11+: 28 days (28/12 days per month)
Pay is 3.75 hours per day.
Paid the greater of monthly guarantee or line value. May pick up trips during vacation days or days off as add pay.
Instructors receive two additional personal days and holidays off with pay.

Sick Time Accrual Rate
4 hours per month starting from the month of groundschool

Perfect Attendance Program
Two separate six month periods

Elegibility for FMLA
Yes - entitlement codified into contract

Emergency Leave
Up to 3 days with no reduction of monthly guarantee

Bereavement Leave
Four consecutive days with no reduction of monthly guarantee

Education Leave
A pilot may be granted an educational leave for a period not to exceed 1 year. At the end of the leave, he may apply for
additional educational leave.

Personal Leave
A personal leave of absence may be requested by a pilot

Adoption Assistance Program
Reimbursement for eligible adoption expenses

Scholarship Program
Assist employees, their children, or spouses who plan to continue education in college or vocational school programs. Scholarships are offered each year for study at an accredited institution of the student’s choice. Up to 15 awards for $1,500 dollars will be granted each year.

W.I.N.G.S. Program
When In Need Get Support – An employee-funded program for co-workers overcome by personal tragedies, natural disasters, or other situations creating a dire financial need.


Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance

Benefits:
Various health plans – (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($15-240/mo depending on # covered and deductible)

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service. The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment) $18-98/mo depending on HMO/PPO and # covered
Vision $9.78-24.31/mo depending on # covered
Flexible Spending Accounts - Health Care and Dependant Care

Disability
Short-term
Long-term

Life Insurance Paid by the company up to 1x your base annual pay
Supplemental Life Insurance
Spouse Life Insurance
Child Life Insurance
Personal Accident Insurance
Business Accident Insurance - $200,000 paid by the company


401k Matching
1-5 yrs service 100% up to 4%
5-9 yrs service 100% up to 5%
10+ yrs service 100% up to 6%

Defined Contribution Plan
<5 years 2.5%
5-10 years 4%
10-15 years 5%
15-20 years 5.5%
>20 years 6%

Employee Stock Purchase Plan
Active employees can purchase XJT stock through payroll deductions at a 15% discount


Other Stuff:
Junior Manning is at 150% of the greater of:
- 3.75 Hours per duty period
-Trip pay as calculated

RED FLAGGED Open time can be picked up by lineholders at JM pay (150%).

Bidding can be done via online system. Bid via default (line number order), or assign values to re-order the lines for yourself. You can pick how you want them ordered based on line value, types of trips (1day / 2day), days off, etc. etc.

Automated trip trades, trip advertisements, and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via crew web site. Some websites will be changing as we become more independent and use less of CAL’s infrastructure.

hoser073 01-27-2008 05:18 AM

Bringing this great thread back to life!!

Come on guys....

ASA
Mesaba
Pinnacle
Compass

higgi8f6 01-27-2008 08:07 AM

Piedmont Airlines
 
Vacation at PDT is:
5 days your first year
10 days your second through seventh year
15 days your seventh through fourteenth year
20 days fourteenth and greater

Uniforms is $20 payroll deducted and tax-free.

Bidding is still hard lines through paper but you can submit both requests for schedules and pay adjustments on-line now.

We do have a communter clause but since I don't commute I'm not familiar with it.

A flow-though with mainline US Airways is suppose to begin in March as well.

Health Insurance for individuals are $20 per month PPO or $25 for the Indemnity. Vision is available but only under the PPO plan. Dental can also be added. I'm not sure the cost, I think Vision is included in the PPO and dental is $3.25 extra a month?

PIPErdrvr 01-27-2008 11:00 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and throw out a request for AE. Sorry JetJock but at least I got this thread back on the top of the list!!!

ERJ135 01-28-2008 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr (Post 308720)
I'm gonna go ahead and throw out a request for AE. Sorry JetJock but at least I got this thread back on the top of the list!!!

I have you request and you'll get my response later today. hahe

Shrek 01-28-2008 06:59 AM

What is so cool about GoJet? .....

hoser073 01-28-2008 12:36 PM

Must keep thread alive.......

UNDGUY 02-06-2008 11:33 AM

Mesaba, Pinnacle, Compass?
 
I think this thread was a great idea. I would really appreciate information on Mesaba, Pinnacle, and Compass from someone who knows.

Fokker28 02-06-2008 06:47 PM

What exactly do you mean by 'no questions'?

ERJ135 02-07-2008 05:06 AM

I forgot, sorry
 
American Eagle

Contract good through 2012

Monthly guarantee Line 72hrs
Monthly guarantee reserve 75hrs

Reserve call out is 2 hrs

Junior Manning down to 8 days a month
Days must be made up in the next bid period at the latest.
Days will made up to the guarantee of 11 days
JM pay 150%

Guarantee 11 days off a month both line and reserve

No trip or duty rigs

DH pay is 75%

Any pilot who holds a relief, composite, or reegular line is guaranteed 100% of that line

See pay scale http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...can_eagle.html

Per diem is $1.65

May not be scheduled for over a 14hr duty day.

Reserve

Eagle has 3 ready reserve lines and two RAP (reserve availability periods)
Reserve varies for bases in eqipments. Anywhere from no rsv for ORD EMJ to
1+ yrs of reserve LAX EMJ.

Vacation

1yr 2 weeks
5yrs 3 weeks
15yrs 4 weeks
20+ yrs 5 weeks

Vacation accured at 1.167 days per calender month

Uniforms
Pilots will pay up to 50% of uniform costs.
Payroll deductions of $50 per paycheck to pay for uniform.


New hires

Double occupancy until Sim
Pay is 64hrs per month and 16hrs per day of per diem until off IOE
Bases not equipment guaranteed
Equipment in certain bases go in order of seniority based on DOB.
Full health insurance effective immediately.
Jumpseat/travel privlages effective within the end of the first week.
Given 3 move days after IOE.

Sick leave

Accure 2.5 hrs per month of service up to 300hrs max.

Probabation is 1yr with a checkride at 9 months.


Anything else people can think of or correct me if I'm wrong that would great. Hope this helps.

PIPErdrvr 02-07-2008 12:48 PM

Thats great! Thanks. I was trying to be patient.:D The only thing that I think might be incorrect is on medical benifits -- I don't believe they go into effect until day 31 of employment...:confused: Any1 feel free to confirm either way.

labbats 02-07-2008 12:54 PM

Eagle can schedule you to 15 hour duty day on reserve. Average lineholders get from 12-19 days off a month with 14 and 15 day blocks being the norm.

I don't know about the medical timeline, but I will say that family coverage runs around $260/mo. They also have Flexible Savings available and just instituted a Roth 401k option.

JetJock16 02-20-2008 06:17 PM

............................:d

JetJock16 08-27-2008 01:07 PM

Number 5..................alive.


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