The mins are going to go down across the board @ every regional airline. particularly once the majors start hiring again. An old captain once told me. You know how you pick your first airline? The first one that offers you a job. The next question: Do you know how you know if you picked the right one? Answer: If its still around 30 years from now. When it boils down to it, it doesn't matter who we fly for @ a regional level. As long as we are gaining experience, and not screwing other people over. @ the core most regionals are the same. Minor differences in work rules, bennefits, etc. But they all A. under pay, B. QOL sucks, and C. treat there pilot group badly. Look @ your time @ a regional like its a residency... do your time and move on. Suck it up. It could always, and I do mean always be worse. You could not have a job. And there could be none available else were. i am not saying that we shouldn't fight for what we deserve though, namely higher pay work rules etc. But i am saying that we should be grateful for what we do. For years, people would have killed to have a seat @ any airline..

just my 2 cents.

BUT...you may be at a Regional for a while, like it or not. In that case, you are probably better off somewhere that doesn't assign you a double-deadhead to an overnight to a 14 credit-hour four-day, as was posted previously.

And that is the truth - I couldn't stand another one of those 14-hour trips...No Thank YOU!

I dont know about you guys, but 135 rules protect me from being forces to do stuff like that. How do the 121 rules stack up against 135? If we fly over 10 hours of FT/14 hour duty day since we signed on, we are kindly asked if we can return the airplane and if we say no, we're tired, they say alright get some rest and bring the airplane home... how does that work in the 121 world?

well for starters we can only fly up to 8 hours, over as long as we were origianlly scheduled to fly 8 or less, and wether or not the majors are hiring is irrelevant, still may take years for them to call, block or better adds up after all the years......

Yeah, being a line holder and making more money in per diem than I do flying in a day. <Happened twice last month.> really chaps my a$$. But hell. I still don't mind. i have worked worse schedules. Try sitting guard until 5am and then going to an 8am class. invariably, that sucks way worse.

COMPLETELY AGREE. It is time for the regionals to be a little more competitive. Force higher compensation from their customers. Changes starts at home. With management feeding this problem (250 & 25) nobody will get anywhere. TSAs minnimums are to say the least negligent. But they got what they deserved, if you treat everybody so poorly then nobody is going to want to work for you. 600/100 is one thing, as a low time new hire I know the benefits of flight instructing and spending time building time. You learn alot about yourself (your own limitations) and flying. I am certainly not the most qualified pilot, but I am willing to work hard studying and learning. What great captains these guys are going to make with NO CFI EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER. Its time to turn this thing around.

So I suppose that all of those eurpean carriers aircrafts are just falling out of the sky then, since a large portion of there training is done through ab initio training programs. And I really do guess, that flying around the pea patch doing stalls and slowflight, makes you a lot more suited to flying 121, than someone who may have less time, but has trained exclusively for that purpose. just out of curiosity as an example, how many people in your new hire class could explain exemption 3585 before classes even started? Knew what a PACK was, and had an extensive understanding of how it worked? Had a thurough understanding of high altitude aerodynamics? Core Lock? Understood, the whitlow interpritation? Every one of the AB kids in my class could. I am not saying that our pay is great, or we don't deserve more. If that happened, it would drive the minimums back up. Which would be a good thing. But I am saying, that before you insult a low time guy, get a handle on his experience level. The old idiom of, if i fly for 3000+ hours without killing myself or bending an airplane, it must mean i am a good pilot, is dead. Better training = better suited for the carreer. All low time pilots are not equal. 250 hours @ Joe's FBO and crabshack, will not be the same as 250 hours @ a specialty program like lufthansa's. Add in there sim training, a couple of type ratings, etc. They have a pretty diverse resume. As someone said earlier, the military has pilots that are qualified pic with that kind of experience. You don't see there aircraft dropping like flies, infact, many consider there training to be the best in the world.

I've always heard the best regional to go to is the first one that hires you..(with some exceptions obviously)...If you have plans for something better. If you are 40, and obviously going to be a LIFER, then you better try for a good company. Those of you who arent 40, go get your time, and keep yours bills low, and DO YOUR TIME.....

HAHAHAHA... That is hilarious... The best part about it, is that i can't tell if your agreeing with me or not... haha... Either way, its hilarious!

and as for "I've always heard the best regional to go to is the first one that hires you..(with some exceptions obviously)...If you have plans for something better. If you are 40, and obviously going to be a LIFER, then you better try for a good company. Those of you who arent 40, go get your time, and keep yours bills low, and DO YOUR TIME....."
I couldn't agree more.

Fortunately my brain works quickly and I know how to type fast.

If you think I don't say things on this forum that stimulate discussion I suggest
1) Ask the others and
2) Go and review ALL of my past posts. (Enjoy the reading)

Im agreeing with you..... Suck it up and do your time.... Im sorry if some guy who is 45 with a family wanted to chase their dream and now is regretting it on regionals pay..... But most people getting started right now do have aspirations to go to majors, charter, corporate, whatever it may be.....ERJ time is ERJ time whether u got it at TSA, and lived in a shack, or whether its at Republic...... If all you want is time to move on and you can handle it, then do your time.... I had one interview, took it, got hired, and went.... Thats it! Im fine with my decision, I will be poor for a few years, but oh well, I will make it work!

I like it.... then I can have a photo shoot and show my grandma that I can fly a big jet plane by myself, or a King Air at least:(:cool:

Give the army enough time and the BE200 will be the biggest and heaviest airplane of 'em all. Then your grandma will really be proud you fly the KingAir.

My version is already up to a 16,200lb MGTOW.

AWR's are great things if you need to add another widget to the airplane but don't have enough available payload weight. Who cares when the wing spar is going to snap?

The regional airline industry is very impressive. Low pay didn't start out by us saying- we'll fly a CRJ for $19,000/year.

However-when these pay scales were set the competetive minimums at carriers were 2500TT/500 Multi/200 Instrument etc etc etc. Well, flight instructors, like those regional captains and major FO's of today couldn't stand instructing anymore. So they jumped on whatever "airline" they could- warranting the company to abuse them with pay, contract ETC. If they didn't like it- they could go back to instructing.

How come no one remembers when US Airways guys told management to shove it when they went to the pilot union and asked them to fly EMB170's? Well now the 170's are going to RAH and the same pilots who we're "Too Good" for those, are complaining that those should be their airplanes. If these major guys would swallow their pride and fly the damn airplane, the regionals would not be what they are today.

Now, it's our generations job to take back what our bretheren lost.

AWESOME :D

Unfortunately that is how it works in Europe, but it is a different market here. I wonder how much more flying is done by captains than FOs with miniscule times. Even the best training cannot replace experience and judgement.

I know we disagree on some issues DME, but very good post, I agree its the guys that have been at the regional level within the past five years will be the ones making the changes, not the arrogant guys that didn't want 170's on the property............

not that simple
 

The problem may be that sometimes good pilots wash out and bad pilots makes it.........
Its all up to the individual Sim instructors and the specifics of the program.

That you made it at the "Super Regionals program" does not make you a good pilot (I have seen terrible examples making it) furthermore maturity and experience is something related with time, life time and you may pass the training but lack both...........

I agree . . . It would do the industry a world of good if many of these younger (in age) pilots would eat some Humble Pie now and then . . .

I am just curious Ellen, who do you fly for? you seem to know a lot about "these young pilots, this and that, low timers, etc...." Where are you finding all these jerks you post about all the time?

Someone said earlier in this thread that there have been 1500 hour captains on tprops in the past, and quite often, and this is true. Do people think flying an RJ is really more difficult? I know that most of the people at TSA who used to be on the J41 said the emb was a cakewalk compared to the 41.

"Ms. Size 2" doesn't fly...but she sure thinks she does!

She lost all her aviation credibility with me when she said the CRJ-200 didn't stop very well.

So true!!!!!

J41 Captains tell me that all the time.

So if people can be captains on a tprop at a lower time and make it, whats to say someone can't on a jet?

Ya know............... the reason why people that went from a Turbo-Prop to a jet think the jet is easier to fly is because when they first went into the Turbo-Prop it was from a 172, and it was their first 121 airplane, now when they go from the T-Prop to the jet, the jet may be easier to "manage", but its not easier to "fly". Its a swept wing airplane, which handles quite differently in gusty conditions than a straight wing turbo-Prop. Also those that go from the T-Prop to the jet are usually relatively experienced and have enough time that they could probably step into any aircraft and after a 100 hours or so become very comfortable with the airplane, hence calling it an "easy" aircraft. The EMB is a nice easy airplane to fly, but in my opinion requires more skill to land in tough winds than the SAAB every could be..........

Thats true...but for the most part, I would say what comes into question for a lower time captain moreso then flying ability is decision making.

Very good point

Lol... if she isnt a pilot, I wonder why she hangs around these boards? Lol, the 200 stops just fine.

I didnt think she flew..... I am SO confused why she comments on every single topic. Someone Enlighten me

Troll.

That's all the enlightenment you need. Blocking these people makes them nice and quiet.

Frank Daws, he was a J32 instructor for TSA; and well, he was less then complimentary towards Trans States and it's management.

At TSA he is looked upon with reverance and awe!

Supposedly his first words to any new hire class were "You just made the biggest mistake of your life". Hence, the "Frank was Right" stickers.

I find a lot of her posts informative and I enjoy reading her point of view on things. It doesn't matter to me why she's here, she just is. She's a nice gal and I enjoy having her here.

u must be married to her...hows the seabee? had one on those @ my training airport, always looked like fun to fly.

nice...............I always wondered what those meant, he still around?

No, not married to her. :D LOL

The Bee is doing great! Flew her to Charleston, SC twice last week. Did several water landings and parked her at the hanger for the annual inspection. She is a blast to fly! PM me if you are ever in Columbia, SC and we'll go for a ride.

I wish I'd known that when I overnighted in CAE last month!

don't jump on my horse popa...i brought it up ;) how's CHQ treatin ya these days? Haven't seen you running around the STL for a few weeks now.