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TheProfessionalPilot 07-02-2007 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 188951)
I know you're just trying to make a point, Saab...but wouldn't 35 kts violate your crosswind limitation? I sure know it would on the CRJ. Sure the airplane can handle it, but I'm not a test pilot, don't get paid enough even if I was, and if something gets bent my ass gets hung out to dry by the company & FAA and the union can't do anything to protect me because I knowingly violated a limitation.

THAT is what low-time newbies need to learn even more than proficiently hand-flying the airplane...you're a professional aviator and expected to get the job done in adverse conditions, but NEVER at the expense of safety. Never allow yourself to get pushed into a situation that is truly unsafe, but don't squeal like a schoolgirl at the sight of lines of TRWs, accumulating ice, or an 1800RVR approach. After all, we get paid to be conservative and mitigate risks, not take them...

Hang on, I have no experience with ERJ/CRJ equipment, so here's a question: Is the 30 knot crosswind component a limitation, or a demonstrated? If it's a demonstrated then there is no rule breaking (unless my lack of 121 reg knowledge is killing me here) involved. Just asking and just curious about the RJ's lim's.

Paok 07-02-2007 08:39 AM

Relating the Pinnacle Accident and Comair is APPLES AND ORANGES........ ONE CREW INTENTIONALLY WAS MESSING AROUND IN THEIR AIRCRAFT........ You cannot compare those two accidents....... Just stop talking

TheProfessionalPilot 07-02-2007 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 188966)
Relating the Pinnacle Accident and Comair is APPLES AND ORANGES........ ONE CREW INTENTIONALLY WAS MESSING AROUND IN THEIR AIRCRAFT........ You cannot compare those two accidents....... Just stop talking

LoL NO YOU STOP haha

Paok 07-02-2007 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by TheProfessionalPilot (Post 188965)
Hang on, I have no experience with ERJ/CRJ equipment, so here's a question: Is the 30 knot crosswind component a limitation, or a demonstrated? If it's a demonstrated then there is no rule breaking (unless my lack of 121 reg knowledge is killing me here) involved. Just asking and just curious about the RJ's lim's.


Wind Conditions Limitation 2.6.6 Crosswind braking action good or better- takeoff and landing 27 KNOTS

JoeyMeatballs 07-02-2007 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 188951)
I know you're just trying to make a point, Saab...but wouldn't 35 kts violate your crosswind limitation? I sure know it would on the CRJ. Sure the airplane can handle it, but I'm not a test pilot, don't get paid enough even if I was, and if something gets bent my ass gets hung out to dry by the company & FAA and the union can't do anything to protect me because I knowingly violated a limitation.

THAT is what low-time newbies need to learn even more than proficiently hand-flying the airplane...you're a professional aviator and expected to get the job done in adverse conditions, but NEVER at the expense of safety. Never allow yourself to get pushed into a situation that is truly unsafe, but don't squeal like a schoolgirl at the sight of lines of TRWs, accumulating ice, or an 1800RVR approach. After all, we get paid to be conservative and mitigate risks, not take them...

Nope not on the ERJ its not a limitation, we only have a a tailwind Limitation

TheProfessionalPilot 07-02-2007 08:43 AM

Hey man, it's all fun and games till you scrape your knee on the instrument panel. LOL Some of you guys are really wound up tight. ... RELAX a little if someone isn't fully informed and makes a comment.

Isn't it funny how many of us are on here "chatting" back and forth and this isn't going anywhere or helping anything? I like this forum. hahaha

TheProfessionalPilot 07-02-2007 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 188968)
Wind Conditions Limitation 2.6.6 Crosswind braking action good or better- takeoff and landing 27 KNOTS

Thanks for the clarification... so in theory you should not be hung out to dry if it's just a demonstrated crosswind component, unlike your tailwind component limitation. That's apples and oranges.

JoeyMeatballs 07-02-2007 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by TheProfessionalPilot (Post 188971)
Thanks for the clarification... so in theory you should not be hung out to dry if it's just a demonstrated crosswind component, unlike your tailwind component limitation. That's apples and oranges.

This is the CRJ though, not the ERJ probably becuase of their little stubby narrow landing gear cant handle it:p

TheProfessionalPilot 07-02-2007 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 188974)
This is the CRJ though, not the ERJ probably becuase of their little stubby narrow landing gear cant handle it:p

I gotcha, so the CRJ has no actual crosswind LIMITATION, but the ERJ does is 27knots, and both have tailwind lim's. I was curious about that.

racers2207 07-02-2007 08:55 AM

Max demonstrated xwind on the ERJ is 30 knots.


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