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Old 07-07-2007 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Do what the CA tells you to.He is the final authority.
I know you meant within the confines of good CLR/CRM. Don't let the guy run you out of gas over the Pacific Northwest.
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Old 07-07-2007 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
You might be slightly offcourse if you follow magenta.One way to take care of that is to go on HDG mode till u get closer.
Do what the CA tells you to.He is the final authority.
Not gonna be any more off course than an S-turning autopilot or trying to bracket with the autopilot would make me. Plus the ride is more comfortable for the pax. Sure hope you don't let any captains fly you into a mountain because they are the "final authority". I always brief it and no one has a problem with it. They just remind me even though its exactly what I briefed. Thats what is annoying. This is how the conversation usually goes:
ATC: Jetlink XXXX, fly heading 210, intercept the localizer 24R.
CA: Did you want green needles?
FO: I'll switch it when we get closer, we're still 30 miles out and doing 170kts cause its Cleveland.
CA: Oh, right.
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Old 07-07-2007 | 08:43 AM
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Not gonna be any more off course than an S-turning autopilot or trying to bracket with the autopilot would make me. Plus the ride is more comfortable for the pax. Sure hope you don't let any captains fly you into a mountain because they are the "final authority". I always brief it and no one has a problem with it. They just remind me even though its exactly what I briefed. Thats what is annoying. This is how the conversation usually goes:
ATC: Jetlink XXXX, fly heading 210, intercept the localizer 24R.
CA: Did you want green needles?
FO: I'll switch it when we get closer, we're still 30 miles out and doing 170kts cause its Cleveland.
CA: Oh, right.
Have both pilots tune the RA to 195 feet. The reasoning will probably make the majority of people on here scream bloody murder, but for all intensive purposes, it cuts down on the S-turns. Or handfly
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Old 07-07-2007 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
Have both pilots tune the RA to 195 feet. The reasoning will probably make the majority of people on here scream bloody murder, but for all intensive purposes, it cuts down on the S-turns.
I just heard that one last week, supposedly second-hand from an LCA's mouth. Does it really work?
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Old 07-07-2007 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
Have both pilots tune the RA to 195 feet. The reasoning will probably make the majority of people on here scream bloody murder, but for all intensive purposes, it cuts down on the S-turns. Or handfly
I've heard that too. Never tried it though. If it's VMC I usually do just kill the AP. I have kicked off the AP when it starts S-turning in IMC but that seems to make a lot of CAs nervous.

And I believe the phrase is "for all intents and purposes"
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Old 07-07-2007 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Booker
I just heard that one last week, supposedly second-hand from an LCA's mouth. Does it really work?
Supposedly it tricks the AP into thinking its in Cat II mode even though its not. I've never tried it but supposedly it makes the AP "smarter" and fly the approach better. The only problem I see with that is that the Honeywell seems to have the most problems when you are far away and they are crossing airplanes in front of the LOC antennae, something that would not happen in Cat II conditions so I'm not sure how it would handle those situations.
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Old 07-07-2007 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Booker
I just heard that one last week, supposedly second-hand from an LCA's mouth. Does it really work?
Worked when I did it fresh outta IOE. But I have a history of not letting the autopilot fly that far into any approach so I couldn't tell ya. I'm one of "those" guys who kicks it off between 4000'-8000' feet so it's been awhile.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
I've heard that too. Never tried it though. If it's VMC I usually do just kill the AP. I have kicked off the AP when it starts S-turning in IMC but that seems to make a lot of CAs nervous.

And I believe the phrase is "for all intents and purposes"
If you really want to freak 'em out...turn off the FD too.
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Old 07-07-2007 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Not gonna be any more off course than an S-turning autopilot or trying to bracket with the autopilot would make me. Plus the ride is more comfortable for the pax. Sure hope you don't let any captains fly you into a mountain because they are the "final authority". I always brief it and no one has a problem with it. They just remind me even though its exactly what I briefed. Thats what is annoying. This is how the conversation usually goes:
ATC: Jetlink XXXX, fly heading 210, intercept the localizer 24R.
CA: Did you want green needles?
FO: I'll switch it when we get closer, we're still 30 miles out and doing 170kts cause its Cleveland.
CA: Oh, right.
Man, your Captains are lucky to have such a clever guy along!
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Old 07-07-2007 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Not gonna be any more off course than an S-turning autopilot or trying to bracket with the autopilot would make me. Plus the ride is more comfortable for the pax. Sure hope you don't let any captains fly you into a mountain because they are the "final authority". I always brief it and no one has a problem with it. They just remind me even though its exactly what I briefed. Thats what is annoying. This is how the conversation usually goes:
ATC: Jetlink XXXX, fly heading 210, intercept the localizer 24R.
CA: Did you want green needles?
FO: I'll switch it when we get closer, we're still 30 miles out and doing 170kts cause its Cleveland.
CA: Oh, right.
Is that SOP at your company?
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Old 07-07-2007 | 09:18 AM
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If your CA is annoying you, try pulling out one of your kids coloring books while at cruise and just go to town. Don't even bother staying in the lines.
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