Annoying copilot
 

Hi, just thought I'd start a new convo, I was wondering if you are a captain, what are some things that annoy you that some first officers do, and if you are a first officer what are some annoying things some captains do? I am just wondering because sometimes when you work one job you don't really realize something you are doing may bother the other crew member. Flight attandants speak up too. Anything from not following certain procedures to not turning off the hot mike... whatever..... Not looking for a bashing of first officers please:) just thought certain etiquette is not always taught and people may be clueless for awhile until someone tells them. I, as well as other pilots I'm sure, would hate to step on toes without even knowing I am doing it.

big pet peave, person i am flying with touching my yoke... even if i have the hotmike on. ask, i will be more than happy to turn it off. just don't touch my crap.... I don't touch yours.

Sarcasm Mode ON ...
 

Whan I wake up and find my Captain sleeping at the wheel ... :eek:

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Later, Brown CC

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My pet peeve is when the non flying pilot keeps hitting the heading sync when the AP is engaged and in LNAV.

Hogging the dispatch release on a quick turn.

thats a good one...

just sloppy to not have it lined up... one of mine is to have it all cockeyed in the wrong direction.. haha...

I think his point was that if you're not flying, hands off!

When the guy in the left seat keep showing pictures of his boat, jet ski, and other toys, then ask to borrow a dollar to tip van driver or leave without tipping at all...When the guy in the right seat keeps complaining about his lack of finance, then order steak and lobster at dinner.

yeah... but that doesn't affect the autopilot/flight guidance at all... However, I do think its the flying pilots responsibility to do that. If he/she is not. I don't have a problem with the non fly hitting the button. When I forget, and the nonfly hits it, i usually say thanks... And appreciate it... But thats just me...

As long as I don't have to fill out an ASAP, I really don't care what they do.:cool: Oh, but don't eat with the hot mike on...please.

HAHAHAHAH Hilarious!!!! I dont care, except for this... hhaha..... particullarly crunchy stuff... sometimes i do it just to be an *******... haha, only with people i have a good rep with though. haha

A flight engineer who is working on ratings telling you for the last six hours while crossing the pond how to fly. It goes something like this: "You're supposed to put the gear down at glide slpe intercept." Uh, not when we're at 5000 feet on a long final with four engines running.

One of the best "Briefs" I heard from an FO.

Hi, my name is [ . . . . ]. I've been flying for this long, this much time in type, since you are PIC just let me know how you want things done and I'll do it. I have quirks that may come out, just let me know what bothers you and I'll try to fix it. My only request, is not to rush me doing Taxi Checks, 2nd Engine starts, B4 takeoff checks if we know before hand we are going to get a short taxi. I'd rather keep my head out of the cockpit so we don't hit anything.

When asked if he had anything to add to the crew briefing, this person then followed it up with a FA briefing that was short and sweet.
"The only thing I want to mention is that you don't say or discuss anything about drinking, parties, crazy behavior, or feeling tired and hungover, while on the Van Rides to and from the airport and anywhere in the airport especially if we have to walk through a TSA security line."

Actually, I don't think it's sloppy at all. Sometimes you just forget to realign it- especially when you're dealing with crossing restrictions, runway changes, and trying to get a hold of ops. What worries me is if butterfingers starts punching stuff on the FCP, and accidentally changes the mode when the AP is engaged. It's happened to me more than once. It's simple... when the AP is engaged, the PF changes stuff on the FCP. When the AP is disengaged the PF commands the PM as to what he wants done on the FCP. It's not rocket science. :D

I hate it when the CA tries to treat me like his kid just because his "kid" happens to be around my age. I also hate CAs touching my FCP when the AP is on (and its my leg), or hitting/doing things before I call for them. I had one CA that would repeatedly click my AP on at 600ft when I had told him in EVERY one of my T/O briefs that I would handfly to at least 10K unless there was an abnormal- and we were NOT coming out of busy/congested areas! I just try to be standard at the start and adapt to the CA as I figure out what his "standard" means... One day I guess I will get it my way...

Having to dodge every single cloud, sometimes you have to just suck it up.

It bugs me when FOs do something traditionally done by the Captain without asking. Or when the FO does something to set the tone without considering the tone I may want to set. For example:

The other day I was flying an all nighter from ANC to SEA. Almost immediately after take off the FO reached up and turned on all the overhead lighting. I was going to turn it on but not just yet. I like to wait until above 10,000 and clear of clouds etc...

Sometimes an FO will reach up and turn off the ignition when running the FL 180 check without asking.

I was busy on the radio, on two channels so the FO selected his own flaps.

While taxing out for TO the tower asked us if we could accept an intersection take off. He answer that we could without even looking at me or waiting for any indication from me.

The list goes on. Now don't get me wrong. I don't freak out yell at the FOs or even mention it. You asked what annoys me. There is a big difference between a little annoyance and a big problem.

I had a CA tell me once..."Before you do anything ask yourself two questions...1) Will it affect your Captain's pay? 2) Will it get your Captain killed? If you answer no to both of those questions, go for it".

He was obviously joking but I thought that was kinda funny.

From a F/A perspective, the one that ****ed me off the most, was on take off roll from Bos-Ord, we lost an engine........come to stop......taxi off the runway.....they make announcement talk with mechanics on the radio get it fired up again.....only to do the take off roll again, and loose all electical lighting in the cabin of the airplane this time......Then the Cpt says on the P.A, we'll have maintence look into when we get to ORD....on a full 757.....leaving us 5 F/A's to deal with the passengers.

Later found out Cpt was a scab.......totally explained it!!!!

The thing that most annoys me as an FO is when the Captain decides to do my job without asking me. :mad:

Our approach flow is a great example. I'll have a place in my mind where I intend to call for the checklist, but typically less than a minute before, the Captain begins to do the flow and pull out the checklist. If you think I've forgotten, politely ask if I want the checklist.

Best briefing I have had from a Captain: "I'm not going to start doing checklists until you ask for them. You're a big boy and can call for checklists yourself."

Poor airmanship.

Being sloppy and just not caring.

I had and FO that A)wouldn't shut the hell up and B) couldn't keep his finger out of his nose. That sucked.

-Hogging of the paperwork
-When they are either PF they try to my job as PNF and vice versa
-When they try to tell me how to fly the plane their way
-Farting

Fast abrubt power changes, yanking into a bank.

FA's that chime up "just to chat" in cruise. And by "just to chat" I mean "lay out the entire family history, including the political, educational, and socioeconomic reasonings behind why they became a flight attendant". Light banter for a couple minutes...no problem...but if you've been on the phone for more than 10 minutes...there's an issue.

Explaining to a captain that you double-deadheaded to get there and this is the only leg you're actually in the cockpit for because you're on reserve and they say "Ok, I'll take this one".

CA's that get thier panties in a bunch when you try to help out a lil' bit or make a suggestion...then get just as upset when you don't say a word because they flipped out the last time. That's always fun.

Amen! unless of course it's the captain thats the pm then he can sink it all he wants!:D and no i'm not kidding.

Damn you're so slow that you're late calling for checklists in a DASH 8!?!:D alright, this time i am kidding.

CA's that always ask for a level up whenever we hit a bump.
Fat CA's....
and the worst one of all

The ones that dont believe in deodorant.


But a quick funny story. We're cruisin along and all of a sudden we hit this pothole.And I got a little nervous because it wasn't expected,so you knew I calmed down when the CA goes "So thats where that pencil went".

The guy turned the autopilot on for you?? I've never seen that. What a prick.

- I had an FO grab the paperwork off my lap while I was looking at it once. That kinda bugged me.

- Telling the flight attendant that it's okay to close the door.

- When there's a congested ramp or ground frequency and the FO waits for a 10 second pause before he keys in. Then when he finally gets the guts to push the button he's always stepping on the controller. (That only bugs me when it's the last leg and I want to be done.):)

Next time tell the FO to bid in and out of ORD. That way all he has to do is LISTEN. He'll only have to say "Roger," repeat the "SQUAWK" code or say "Cleared for take-off 32L/T10"

Had a captain make me fly from bfl-lax in the emb with the autopilot off and no flight director, It was my second trip off ioe, full imc approach. I was sweating, ha ha but got a great eval from him.

nfp, cap turns radar off on my side so it updates faster on his.

pf, trying to land the 700/900 like the 200, scary. :mad:

Having to take controls to recover approach/landing.:eek:

FO's that insist on hand flying all the time.(The AP does better than you)
FO's that run checklist with out asking.
FO's that cant do a darn visual approach.

No kidding, but then you are total mush when the A/P is mel'D and I'll bet you get peeved that the F/O can't fly manually:D
Include it in your CRM brief, will solve that issue
But they sure can fly with the A/P on :)

Hopefully, the Capt runs a standardized operation. Sure is unsafe to make F/O's model like clay to each Capt that thinks they can disregard the AOM etc.
Hated flying at places where Capt mentality is "My way or highway" Most junior F/O's only know the AOM procedures. Impatient Capts were always a pain.

Yea- he said after a 3-day that he didn't want conflict in the cockpit but when I said standard calls and profiles that would include autopilot on at 600'. I explained that the red AP disconnect button works on the FO side and the AP still "happened" to work when CALLED FOR above 10K and that when given a brief and I conclude with "any questions" or "cool with you (after a couple days of flying with someone)" that this issue should be brought up at that time- not at 600' after we already hashed this out numerous times. He was a bit controlling... Not a fan of that- CA authority is a bit different than trying control someone!

when they fart. but since i'm still flying 172's it's actually kind of funny.

They just dont wanna turn on the engine anti-ice:)

REALLY? That is too funny! . . . . Maybe they need to go back to Flight School 101.