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three1five 03-31-2023 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Armyguy (Post 3616549)
You are nervous about finding a job in the greatest pilot market ever? Dang, you should just quit flight training

Take it easy on them. In this industry if you’re not worried, you’re not paying attention.

AerChungus 03-31-2023 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3617032)
Take it easy on them. In this industry if you’re not worried, you’re not paying attention.

Cannot agree more. The industry is feast or famine and if you're not feasting right now, you're probably going to be especially hungry when the next downturn comes. We are one major or a couple minor bankruptcies away from the abrupt end of the gravy train

flynd94 04-01-2023 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3616300)
When the legacies start offering longevity for years of service, then you know it has gotten really desperate.


And that will never happen at a unionized legacy. If they attempted this they would alienate all the pilots they have on property.

HSCompressor 04-01-2023 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3617388)
And that will never happen at a unionized legacy. If they attempted this they would alienate all the pilots they have on property.

Unless it is expressly prohibited by a CBA I wouldn’t put it past them. And I don’t think they’d be too worried about alienating pilots either. If guys at the LCCs knew they could start a legacy with years of longevity I’d be a true mass exodus. It would probably sink their competition. So a little bit of alienation wouldn’t offend them.

And btw. When was the last time these management types cared about alienation? How alienated you think they feel at UA and AA right now? They love fractured groups. Hell, that’s the big reason at AA they have APA and not ALPA, because they are so fractured.

rickair7777 04-02-2023 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3616300)
When the legacies start offering longevity for years of service, then you know it has gotten really desperate.

Legacies are not desperate, legacies are causing other airlines to be desperate.

rickair7777 04-02-2023 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3617479)
Unless it is expressly prohibited by a CBA I wouldn’t put it past them. And I don’t think they’d be too worried about alienating pilots either. If guys at the LCCs knew they could start a legacy with years of longevity I’d be a true mass exodus. It would probably sink their competition. So a little bit of alienation wouldn’t offend them.

They cannot unilaterally decide to selectively pay some union members a bonus, but not others. Unless they get a side letter from the MEC, that kind of thing does happen but in this climate the MEC would get lynched unless lack of new hires was creating catastrophic disruption.

That's a given, CBA specifies compensation and you can't change that unilaterally either way. They can't even offer premium pay to get people to pick up trips unless it's in accordance with CBA parameters.

What they can do however is pay anything they like to people who are not yet employees... they can fund college degrees, flight school, pay off loans, etc, etc. As long as it all happens before they start indoc. Unless somebody has CBA language prohibiting that, but I haven't heard anything along those lines.

FlyinCat 04-03-2023 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3618108)
Legacies are not desperate, legacies are causing other airlines to be desperate.

They are only desperate to staff their regionals.

TransWorld 04-03-2023 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by FlyinCat (Post 3618326)
They are only desperate to staff their regionals.

Eventually they will start hiring more regional FO.

Excargodog 04-03-2023 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3618359)
Eventually they will start hiring more regional FO.

If that regional survives. Not all of them do. Ask me how I know…

HSCompressor 04-03-2023 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3618116)
They cannot unilaterally decide to selectively pay some union members a bonus, but not others. Unless they get a side letter from the MEC, that kind of thing does happen but in this climate the MEC would get lynched unless lack of new hires was creating catastrophic disruption.

That's a given, CBA specifies compensation and you can't change that unilaterally either way. They can't even offer premium pay to get people to pick up trips unless it's in accordance with CBA parameters.

What they can do however is pay anything they like to people who are not yet employees... they can fund college degrees, flight school, pay off loans, etc, etc. As long as it all happens before they start indoc. Unless somebody has CBA language prohibiting that, but I haven't heard anything along those lines.

Been doing it at regionals. Offering longevity. Like I said. Unless it’s expressly prohibited….


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