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TransWorld 04-03-2023 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3618403)
If that regional survives. Not all of them do. Ask me how I know…

Is that why your reagional did not survive?

Excargodog 04-03-2023 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3618563)
Is that why your reagional did not survive?

Sort of. Lost half its flying and couldn’t survive on just what was left. Doesn’t exactly matter WHY you lose flying, be it losing your contract, bad management, or losing your CAs, if you drop below a certain level you lose economies of scale and what’s left can’t support the overhead.

rickair7777 04-03-2023 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3618408)
Been doing it at regionals. Offering longevity. Like I said. Unless it’s expressly prohibited….

Regional unions either agreed in advance, out of enlightened self-interest, or just let it slide since the staffing problem is an existential problem for them.

Most major unions would not be so accommodating, they would view that as money which needs to be distributed to the pilot group as a whole. As I said before, and MEC could agree via side-letter but that might be at their peril.

And no, they cannot just do it with no recourse, the union could grieve that.

game 04-03-2023 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3618594)
Sort of. Lost half its flying and couldn’t survive on just what was left. Doesn’t exactly matter WHY you lose flying, be it losing your contract, bad management, or losing your CAs, if you drop below a certain level you lose economies of scale and what’s left can’t support the overhead.

Why is GoJet still alive? Will they survive?

Swakid8 04-04-2023 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3618600)
Why is GoJet still alive? Will they survive?

Because United is keeping them alive…

rickair7777 04-04-2023 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3618600)
Why is GoJet still alive? Will they survive?

The are Hulas' favored child, when he desperately needed union busters the OG were ready and willing, and stepped up to the plate. Apparently he still remembers that (yes I know that few of those folks probably remain on property).

The mesa pilots had better luck, they managed to force the re-integration of Freedom A back into mesa, otherwise they'd probably be in a similar boat, with F-A the favored entity.

dera 04-04-2023 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3618408)
Been doing it at regionals. Offering longevity. Like I said. Unless it’s expressly prohibited….

The regionals where this has been going on have either negotiated an LOA, or filed a frozen grievance over it to prevent it from becoming accepted past practice.
Compensation outside the CBA is not allowed and they all have reacted to it, each in their own way.

Grumpyaviator 04-04-2023 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3617388)
And that will never happen at a unionized legacy. If they attempted this they would alienate all the pilots they have on property.


It would be a long shot, but if that was the only way to poach pilots to stay afloat they would try it. It wouldn’t affect seniority for bidding but allow pilots to coming over preserve their years of service for pay and retirement.

Brickfire 04-04-2023 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3618881)
It would be a long shot, but if that was the only way to poach pilots to stay afloat they would try it. It wouldn’t affect seniority for bidding but allow pilots to coming over preserve their years of service for pay and retirement.

Not without a union LOA - unless it was a pre-hire bonus

game 04-04-2023 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3618652)
Because United is keeping them alive…

Boooo! That’s cheating. Shame on UA for feeding the rats.


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