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HeavyDriver 06-11-2023 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3647804)

a Beautician requires 1500 hours of school before being licensed, and a barber the same unless taught to cut hair in the military. I think their requirements then are 850 hours of school, So the Barber has a restricted Beautician license I guess. No need for those time requirements operating airplanes.

TransWorld 06-11-2023 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by HeavyDriver (Post 3648961)
a Beautician requires 1500 hours of school before being licensed, and a barber the same unless taught to cut hair in the military. I think their requirements then are 850 hours of school, So the Barber has a restricted Beautician license I guess. No need for those time requirements operating airplanes.

Just plane stupid logic. I have heard the old joke, a FA asked how long pilot training is. “So for a few more weeks of classes, I could have been a pilot.” Right……

SonicFlyer 06-13-2023 10:19 AM

A retort to the op:

https://liveandletsfly.com/pilot-1500-hour-rule/

flynd94 06-13-2023 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3650110)

Written by an anti-union hack. His disdain for ALPA and pilots is undeniable.

rickair7777 06-15-2023 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by HeavyDriver (Post 3648961)
a Beautician requires 1500 hours of school before being licensed, and a barber the same unless taught to cut hair in the military. I think their requirements then are 850 hours of school, So the Barber has a restricted Beautician license I guess. No need for those time requirements operating airplanes.


Look at what A&P's have to do...

ImSoSuss 06-19-2023 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3647872)
One way it has made us less safe is that the regionals have essentially hired anyone with a pulse over the last few years.

Would rather hire somebody without a pulse at 1500 hours instead of somebody without a pulse at 250 hours.

JohnBurke 06-19-2023 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3651168)
Look at what A&P's have to do...

Drink heavily and find catchy stickers to cover the rust spot on our tool roll-aways?

Floy 06-19-2023 02:15 PM

For years I've worked in the sim with 1500 hr ATP's who couldn't fly a plane to save their lives, and 1001 hour restricted ATP's who were prodigies...and vice versa. I don't think its the number of hours but the type. A qualified 141 flight school churns out both winners and losers and it seems to just be random and based on the kid's aptitude themselves. I really think that they only way the ATP hours should be reduced is if they are flying in a crew within the system. Maybe a charter ops and make the restricted ATP 750-1000 hrs. Flying around the pattern in a 152 for 1500hrs hasn't helped anyone I've worked with become a better airline pilot. Just MHO

ImSoSuss 06-19-2023 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Floy (Post 3653371)
For years I've worked in the sim with 1500 hr ATP's who couldn't fly a plane to save their lives, and 1001 hour restricted ATP's who were prodigies...and vice versa. I don't think its the number of hours but the type. A qualified 141 flight school churns out both winners and losers and it seems to just be random and based on the kid's aptitude themselves. I really think that they only way the ATP hours should be reduced is if they are flying in a crew within the system. Maybe a charter ops and make the restricted ATP 750-1000 hrs. Flying around the pattern in a 152 for 1500hrs hasn't helped anyone I've worked with become a better airline pilot. Just MHO

Only if they have PIC time. SIC in charter ops means nothing.


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