So how much are you worth? Here is a chance to chime in
07-11-2007 | 07:37 PM
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From: rj 700/900
I didn’t bother to read all the posts, but from what I read, I think yall are not giving yourself enough credit. A first year fo on a crj 200 should start at 60k a year and reasonably top out at over 100k. Capts 90k to 150k.
Remember nothing is unrealistic if everyone demands it, ticket prices just need to go up. Consumers like Billy bob would have to wait on buying his new I-phone because he will always need to travel.
As long as yall agree you’re worth 30k a year that’s what you will get paid.
Remember nothing is unrealistic if everyone demands it, ticket prices just need to go up. Consumers like Billy bob would have to wait on buying his new I-phone because he will always need to travel.
As long as yall agree you’re worth 30k a year that’s what you will get paid.
07-11-2007 | 08:01 PM
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From: SAABster
I have to laugh as this thread, and the associated responses. I would love to be making $75k as a first year FO in an RJ but that %$#@ ain't gonna happen.
Asking "what are we worth" and "what will the market bear" are two different questions, although they are connected. We are worth exactly what the market will bear, no more, no less.
Unfortunately, the unions have created these lopsided pay scales that threw the new guys under the bus and rewarded the 20 year senior guys with not only the best schedules but also a tremendous pay advantage. Let's think for a second, who are the people that generally sit on the union? The junior or senior people? That's a rhetorical question, so don't bother answering.
Someone else posted this and I fully agree - pay shouldn't be based on a 12 to 18 year scale, if anything it should top out in 5 years AT MOST. That would allow the free market economy to do a better job at determining pilot pay at the airline level.
Asking "what are we worth" and "what will the market bear" are two different questions, although they are connected. We are worth exactly what the market will bear, no more, no less.
Unfortunately, the unions have created these lopsided pay scales that threw the new guys under the bus and rewarded the 20 year senior guys with not only the best schedules but also a tremendous pay advantage. Let's think for a second, who are the people that generally sit on the union? The junior or senior people? That's a rhetorical question, so don't bother answering.
Someone else posted this and I fully agree - pay shouldn't be based on a 12 to 18 year scale, if anything it should top out in 5 years AT MOST. That would allow the free market economy to do a better job at determining pilot pay at the airline level.
I said this in one of my earlier threads! Watch and see, the changes are coming our way. Pay will come back.
P.S. Ellen... play nice.
07-11-2007 | 09:11 PM
#43
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From: C-172
Since Im not an airline pilot I dont really "know" what I am worth, but if I have learned one thing from these forums, it's that airline pilots are worth a helluva lot more than they're paid. Basically, I am going to shoot for the highest paying regional out there, and then if and when I get hired there I will B$tch and fight for much more than their "high-pay" because I know it wont be all that much afterall. I want my own airplane someday so I better be paid like a fricken doctor
07-13-2007 | 01:46 PM
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Not sure what you are referring to here..... Editted the post well before you replied....
That's democracy and really all you can do.... I support you in your efforts as I intend to be junior to you at Brown.... I sincerely wish you and others luck in your efforts...
Yes, we are hired to move people/goods to generate revenue. So are pilots at corporate jobs..... Why is it industry standard to have a type rating or time in type for this flying? UPS could Easily get away with only hiring guys with time in type..... tons of 757 pilots want in. Tons of MD11 pilots want in. Plenty of 747 contract pilots too..... Im sure they would pay more for people with this experience......They already upped the mins to include Oceanic Crossing experience....... Fact is however, that *MOST* places that pay low first year get what they pay for..... MANY CAL new hires have 0 Turbine PIC, since it is not required.... Though UPS requires 1000T-PIC, that individual may have Zero time in any UPS type aircraft.
Comparing different decades in the airline industry is apples and oranges. There are STILL places offering PFT but guess what, places are WAY short on applicants since even the POOR PAYING regionals are short on bodies.
Just curious what airlines you DID end up working for that made the cut aside from UPS......
I never said I was content and compared to the current industry I am making above-par wages for my work..... Not saying it is what it should be but the entire industry is low.... I work at a place with among the highest 50 seat pay industry wide and a company that flies all the same destinations as the domestic airlines, coast to coast including Canada and by far more places than anyone in Mexico.
When the industry comes around, it will come around for everyone wanting improvements....
Tailwinds...
Hell, let's go back to the 90's when some regionals(called commuters back then if you're old enough to remember) were doing PFT...were wages higher since guys were footing the bill for their sims? I'll save you the web search, the answer is HELL NO. Under your logic, they should have been paid an extra $10K their first year.
When the industry comes around, it will come around for everyone wanting improvements....
Tailwinds...
07-13-2007 | 02:05 PM
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Over the past 5 pages of thread I have read about how much everyone thinks they are worth and how much wages should be. You're not paid what you think you are worth, you get paid what you negotiate. Management thinks pilots are worth zero and pilots think they are worth their weight in gold. Both sides give and take until they agree on a number and that number is what you are worth.
07-13-2007 | 09:08 PM
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Not sure what you are referring to here..... Editted the post well before you replied....
I read it before I replied.
That's democracy and really all you can do.... I support you in your efforts as I intend to be junior to you at Brown.... I sincerely wish you and others luck in your efforts...
Yes, we are hired to move people/goods to generate revenue. So are pilots at corporate jobs..... Why is it industry standard to have a type rating or time in type for this flying? UPS could Easily get away with only hiring guys with time in type..... tons of 757 pilots want in. Tons of MD11 pilots want in. Plenty of 747 contract pilots too..... Im sure they would pay more for people with this experience......They already upped the mins to include Oceanic Crossing experience....... Fact is however, that *MOST* places that pay low first year get what they pay for..... MANY CAL new hires have 0 Turbine PIC, since it is not required.... Though UPS requires 1000T-PIC, that individual may have Zero time in any UPS type aircraft.
I don't know what you're getting at here...
Comparing different decades in the airline industry is apples and oranges. There are STILL places offering PFT but guess what, places are WAY short on applicants since even the POOR PAYING regionals are short on bodies.
Money is money, but ok.
Just curious what airlines you DID end up working for that made the cut aside from UPS......
I was hired in a different decade so are we still comparing fruit?
I never said I was content and compared to the current industry I am making above-par wages for my work..... Not saying it is what it should be but the entire industry is low.... I work at a place with among the highest 50 seat pay industry wide and a company that flies all the same destinations as the domestic airlines, coast to coast including Canada and by far more places than anyone in Mexico.
When the industry comes around, it will come around for everyone wanting improvements....
Tailwinds...
I read it before I replied.
That's democracy and really all you can do.... I support you in your efforts as I intend to be junior to you at Brown.... I sincerely wish you and others luck in your efforts...
Yes, we are hired to move people/goods to generate revenue. So are pilots at corporate jobs..... Why is it industry standard to have a type rating or time in type for this flying? UPS could Easily get away with only hiring guys with time in type..... tons of 757 pilots want in. Tons of MD11 pilots want in. Plenty of 747 contract pilots too..... Im sure they would pay more for people with this experience......They already upped the mins to include Oceanic Crossing experience....... Fact is however, that *MOST* places that pay low first year get what they pay for..... MANY CAL new hires have 0 Turbine PIC, since it is not required.... Though UPS requires 1000T-PIC, that individual may have Zero time in any UPS type aircraft.
I don't know what you're getting at here...
Comparing different decades in the airline industry is apples and oranges. There are STILL places offering PFT but guess what, places are WAY short on applicants since even the POOR PAYING regionals are short on bodies.
Money is money, but ok.
Just curious what airlines you DID end up working for that made the cut aside from UPS......
I was hired in a different decade so are we still comparing fruit?
I never said I was content and compared to the current industry I am making above-par wages for my work..... Not saying it is what it should be but the entire industry is low.... I work at a place with among the highest 50 seat pay industry wide and a company that flies all the same destinations as the domestic airlines, coast to coast including Canada and by far more places than anyone in Mexico.
When the industry comes around, it will come around for everyone wanting improvements....
Tailwinds...
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