Young pilots
07-10-2007 | 03:55 PM
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Young pilots
Hi all. This is my first post on this forum. I am currently working on my multi- commercial rating at a part 141 University. Almost every day at the airport I am hearing about the possibilities of graduating (which I have done already), finishing up your commercial license and getting a job with the regionals.
I have read how a lot of you guys/gals already in the industry are a little unsure about such low time folks getting jobs as FOs. However, since I am in the position to possibly get a job as a low time pilot, why shouldn't I take it? I have a lot of student loans to pay off and need to get my career started ASAP.
I know the number one response to the question that I am raising is experience, but I feel like I could handle it, especially after I complete the optional CRJ jet course that is available to me.
I was just curious as to what you guys think about it. If these low time pilots can make it through training, then why don't they deserve to be there?
I have read how a lot of you guys/gals already in the industry are a little unsure about such low time folks getting jobs as FOs. However, since I am in the position to possibly get a job as a low time pilot, why shouldn't I take it? I have a lot of student loans to pay off and need to get my career started ASAP.
I know the number one response to the question that I am raising is experience, but I feel like I could handle it, especially after I complete the optional CRJ jet course that is available to me.
I was just curious as to what you guys think about it. If these low time pilots can make it through training, then why don't they deserve to be there?
07-10-2007 | 04:09 PM
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Go for it! If you think you can do it, then you will do it! I absolutely say go for the job if it's offered to you. If you get through the training, you are just as privleged to be there as anyone else. Best of luck to you and keep us posted on your job hunt!
07-10-2007 | 04:13 PM
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Those CRJ courses are a waste of money in my opinion. The airline will teach you everything you need to know if you get hired. If you one can't pass that training perhaps they aren't ready for airline flying. It's ok to have self-confidence as a low timer but no 300 hour guy is truly ready to be in command of a regional jet. You are in the right seat to assist the Captain as necessary and take over if something happens to him. The lower and more widespread this trend becomes, the more I don't want my family on anything but a mainline flight. I think it's only a matter of time until we see an increase in incidents and/or accidents because the deck is being stacked against experience.
07-10-2007 | 04:20 PM
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It's pretty safe to say that even with regionals hiring the young guys out there have their own standards, hence the high washout rates. Young doesn't neccessarily mean inexperience. For example, a person can be starting his flight lessons when he hits 17/18. And then you got a guy who's well in his 30s and still be starting his first flight lesson. Hours is what makes a pilot experienced, not the age.
07-10-2007 | 04:24 PM
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Hi all. This is my first post on this forum. I am currently working on my multi- commercial rating at a part 141 University. Almost every day at the airport I am hearing about the possibilities of graduating (which I have done already), finishing up your commercial license and getting a job with the regionals.
I have read how a lot of you guys/gals already in the industry are a little unsure about such low time folks getting jobs as FOs. However, since I am in the position to possibly get a job as a low time pilot, why shouldn't I take it? I have a lot of student loans to pay off and need to get my career started ASAP.
I know the number one response to the question that I am raising is experience, but I feel like I could handle it, especially after I complete the optional CRJ jet course that is available to me.
I was just curious as to what you guys think about it. If these low time pilots can make it through training, then why don't they deserve to be there?
I have read how a lot of you guys/gals already in the industry are a little unsure about such low time folks getting jobs as FOs. However, since I am in the position to possibly get a job as a low time pilot, why shouldn't I take it? I have a lot of student loans to pay off and need to get my career started ASAP.
I know the number one response to the question that I am raising is experience, but I feel like I could handle it, especially after I complete the optional CRJ jet course that is available to me.
I was just curious as to what you guys think about it. If these low time pilots can make it through training, then why don't they deserve to be there?
You lack the experience.
And I don't mean flying a fast/big airplane, but operating in
the 121 environment. I've flown a few hundred hours operating in the 135 environment and I'm noticing now how different the 121 world is and how a new guy [with not even a commercial] could easily be chewed alive. Esp. in a jet
You havent even flown with more than 3 people aboard an airplane
Don't mean to bust your balls....but....
"just my .02cents"
07-10-2007 | 04:27 PM
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It's pretty safe to say that even with regionals hiring the young guys out there have their own standards, hence the high washout rates. Young doesn't neccessarily mean inexperience. For example, a person can be starting his flight lessons when he hits 17/18. And then you got a guy who's well in his 30s and still be starting his first flight lesson. Hours is what makes a pilot experienced, not the age.
How would ya feel when you find out your pilot up front cant sit at a bar?
I got hired at 19
20 now though...so much older
07-10-2007 | 04:29 PM
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Those CRJ courses are a waste of money in my opinion. The airline will teach you everything you need to know if you get hired. If you one can't pass that training perhaps they aren't ready for airline flying. It's ok to have self-confidence as a low timer but no 300 hour guy is truly ready to be in command of a regional jet. You are in the right seat to assist the Captain as necessary and take over if something happens to him. The lower and more widespread this trend becomes, the more I don't want my family on anything but a mainline flight. I think it's only a matter of time until we see an increase in incidents and/or accidents because the deck is being stacked against experience.
Referring to your statement about low timers not being ready to be in command of a jet, isn't that what the training process is for? New hires who washout obviously aren't ready, but those who make it through training and have ample knowledge of the systems and procedures should be respected and allowed to work!
07-10-2007 | 04:31 PM
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Those CRJ courses are a waste of money in my opinion. The airline will teach you everything you need to know if you get hired. If you one can't pass that training perhaps they aren't ready for airline flying. It's ok to have self-confidence as a low timer but no 300 hour guy is truly ready to be in command of a regional jet. You are in the right seat to assist the Captain as necessary and take over if something happens to him. The lower and more widespread this trend becomes, the more I don't want my family on anything but a mainline flight. I think it's only a matter of time until we see an increase in incidents and/or accidents because the deck is being stacked against experience.
The CRJ courses are usually cheaper when affiliated with a university so I don't think he'll be spending the "ATP" costs. I'm not so sure about the increase in accidents/incidents either. The training is pretty damn good at most carriers. Just because the time requirements have been lowered doesn't mean the expectations of the pilots has been lowered. In training, they expect just as much out of the 250hr guy as the 3000hr guy. I don't recall the classes ever being split with high timers in one and low in the other. Everyone is in the same class, studying the same stuff, taking the same sim rides, etc etc.
07-10-2007 | 04:33 PM
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This CRJ course is a little different than the ones you may be referring to. This is a level 5 CRJ-200 course offered through the University. Upon completing this specific course, the hiring minimums for several airlines that my University has bridge agreements with are lowered significantly.
Referring to your statement about low timers not being ready to be in command of a jet, isn't that what the training process is for? New hires who washout obviously aren't ready, but those who make it through training and have ample knowledge of the systems and procedures should be respected and allowed to work!
Referring to your statement about low timers not being ready to be in command of a jet, isn't that what the training process is for? New hires who washout obviously aren't ready, but those who make it through training and have ample knowledge of the systems and procedures should be respected and allowed to work!
Not to teach you to maintain on time departures/arrivals, meeting passenger demands, operating safely and around the airport. And fast. You have connection flights to make
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