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Old 10-15-2023, 06:41 AM
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Old 10-15-2023, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot View Post
Plenty of mainline FOs who would be happy to be loaned to regional partners for those tasks provided they keep their seniority and other benefits.

Solutions to this self-inflicted wound exist but it appears that can-kicking until the next downturn (combined with constant whining to Congress and the Press) remains the default strategy.
Nope. The seniority list will not be violated. We will not make that massive concession.

Either bring the pilots and or planes over to mainline or shut it down.

I have zero interest in supporting the business model.
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Old 10-15-2023, 08:19 AM
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Nope. The seniority list will not be violated. We will not make that massive concession.
Would it be a violation if mainline offered voluntary LOA and the WO hired them as a DEC with normal seniority number? Does the contract require a new hire to resign from mainline?
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Old 10-15-2023, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32 View Post
Let me ask you this, if the pilot shortage is real how come there are a huge amounts of ATP ready pilots not getting calls or TBNT letters from the Regionals (including PSA) or given class dates 6 months out that continuously slide to the right?
You assume anyone with a ATP is desired by airlines. That is not the case. The lesson on not hiring anyone qualified on paper is getting hammered home at the airlines every day at the moment . If you have the hours and ratings and a solid background both in training events and your non flying life you will get hired almost instantly. If on the other hand you were a C student in high school, a dubious work history with no college and 2 or 3 training failures you will find it hard to land a good flying job.
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Old 10-15-2023, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Brickfire View Post
Would it be a violation if mainline offered voluntary LOA and the WO hired them as a DEC with normal seniority number? Does the contract require a new hire to resign from mainline?
If the MEC considered that LOA it would be a massive mistake. Its bad for pilot as a whole and a huge long term loss, just like forced upgrades.

if you want to fly a 175 again, there are places to do that.

one list one airline. No fracturing.
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Old 10-16-2023, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyweight View Post
If the MEC considered that LOA it would be a massive mistake. Its bad for pilot as a whole and a huge long term loss, just like forced upgrades.

if you want to fly a 175 again, there are places to do that.

one list one airline. No fracturing.
No it was an honest question. Does the contract resignation of mainline seniority? Idk why it would.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
You assume anyone with a ATP is desired by airlines. That is not the case. The lesson on not hiring anyone qualified on paper is getting hammered home at the airlines every day at the moment . If you have the hours and ratings and a solid background both in training events and your non flying life you will get hired almost instantly. If on the other hand you were a C student in high school, a dubious work history with no college and 2 or 3 training failures you will find it hard to land a good flying job.
I said ATP ready, not ATP pilots. Any ways this has nothing to do with the point of my post which obviously went way over your head.
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