Are FO's still getting hired?
 

Are regionals still hiring FO's or are they only hiring DECs?

I've got just over 1,500 hours total time 700 of which is ME turbine.

Apply and find out?

CommuteAir is undergoing a little hiring wave right now

all 3 AA wholly owned are hiring FOs as well as DEC.

Republic is still hiring 60 each month... Seems like there is no shortage of those willing to test the waters of the controversial new-hire contract.

If I can't go directly to a major or lcc and it seems that I cant at the moment, then I really want to go to Envoy because Delta is my end goal. I think that's my best chance. Backup would be Edv because they are a decent company with good training and a good commute. Mesa would be next after that. Psa looks good on paper but thats about where it stops.

Republic or Skywest are good companies too but I think going to either of those two would limit my chances of getting hired into a major.

apply to everyone and figure it out later. It takes an hour max to apply to them all.

For the most part, hiring is slow but should pick up as we get farther from the holidays. If you're not in any cadet programs, it's a slight uphill battle. Hopefully our fortunes improve soon! I am coming up on 1650 hours with still nothing from anyone. Your multi time puts you way ahead of my 25... unless they feel that your time might lend to you bouncing faster than I could. No idea what their calculus is on that.

Apply everywhere, hope for the best. You can't be picky in this market. Get your ATP with someone, get some time in and then move on.

I seriously doubt a 1500hr pilot is going to be hired at a major. Gotta put your time in.

Aside from the RPA contract, why do you think those two limit your chances of going to a major? Part 121 turbine time is what they're looking for. you'll get that at those 2 airlines as much as any other regional/part 121. Did you (or anyone here) head to Sun-n-Fun this week? Just kicked off yesterday. There will be recruiter desks set up in the exhibit hangars. Curious to hear what kind of feedback they give for fresh 1500 hour candidates these days.

Despite all the drama that seems to be coming from interactions with this individual, he is not "wrong", per se. Because SKW and RPA fly for multiple carriers, it has been seen that they throttle those trying to make the jump to the carriers in which that regional operates flights for. Ideally, if one were to have a desired legacy carrier to end up at, you work for a competing regional. It is difficult to do that when you fly for all three and each carrier might view that pilot applicant as necessary at the regional level to maintain capacity. So, they hire elsewhere. i.e. Delta hiring from AA wholy owned or CommutAir, AA hiring from Endeavor or CommuteAir, UA hiring from Envoy or Endeavor, and so-on.

It is believed that they meter flow from their contracting regional carriers. They are more likely to take people from regionals that don't fly for the major you are applying to.

Can't get to SNF this year sadly. As the two commenters above have said the problem is that when majors go to hire they dont want to eat their own feeds and since Skywest and Republic both work for multiple airlines that means you have less of a chance of getting hired from there to a major.

I know several people from the free agent regionals who have been hired by Legacies, the same ones they support. You just need a competitive resume and a competitive resume is quickly becoming having some TPIC again.

All this speculation about who hires whom, and where, is little more than. Hiring at a frenzied pace matched the contour of the temporary post-covid bubble, and has re-bounded to a more natural pace.

Don't get wrapped around the axle with pathways. Legacy carriers really don't care which regional it was, for which you flew. They do care about your PIC experience with that regional and a clean FAA and employment record.

If you think legacy carriers (et al) care much about the path you came through in your early flying, you're mistaken. If you think you're anything more than a dime-a-dozen applicant, you're also mistaken. Flush the notion of shortcuts to the top, put in the work and the years, and apply. You'll be hired, when you're hired. The rest is mental machination.

I can't speak for all the regionals, but AA has made a point to NOT hire from their wholly owned outside of the flow. So it DOES in fact matter if you are at one of those. As for contract regionals, it probably doesn't matter that they fly for a given legacy.

Irrelevant. American owns and has flows, and does hire through the flow. One is not concerned about blocking one's chances of moving to American, if within that pipeline. If one is in that pipeline and elects to appy elsewhere, that applicant is not limited. Ergo, it makes no difference which regional one goes to, so far as looking at a legacy (etc).

The legacy is concerned with your experience. Make captain, gain PIC experience, apply. Rinse, repeat. Plan on a slow road. Reality has returned.

The legacies don't want to rob pilots from their own regional feed if their regionals are understaffed.

It's irrelevant if there's a flow.

For you, it's entirely irrelevant: right now you need to quit making excuses, and go get a job.

No, it's not irrelevant because they can meter their flow to almost nothing if they feel they need to. And I've been working on getting a better job for a few months now with no takers.

You've supplied a constant stream of reasons why you won't take a single suggestion or direction given you. Lots of excuses that range the gamut from your inability to live on the wages paid, to your refusal to shave your face for fear that your employer might divine that you're in search of employment (despite your assertion that you're presently doing "the same job as netjets," though you also assert that your position is not upgradeable).

Posters have ceased bothering to give you direction, as it's well established that you'll reject it out of hand.

This is actually untrue and if you would read my posts you would know that. Reading comprehension really isn't your thing is it?

The problem you are describing is entirely theoretical. As theoretical as me debating whether I should play for the Yankees or the Dodgers. I mean, I don't really know if pinstripes flatter me. (The answer is neither - I suck at baseball and neither team has any cause to be aware of my existence).

Until you have one or more CJOs from airlines, you have no decision of where to go (other than whether you show up at your 135 job). Once you get one or more, -then- you have a decision before you.

Addressing steps 1,2 and 3 of a problem, often gives clarity to how to proceed on steps 6,7 and 8. Pants go over underwear.

You're lying again. I've quoted you saying it, and provided links, and your apathy and resistance to do what's necessary to be hired is well documented in multiple places in this forum.

Do we need to quote you again to show the lie, as you insist on doubling down?

If you put half the effort into getting hired, that you put into finding excuses why you can't be hired, you'd already be well established. And probably clean-shaven (while doing the same job as netnets).

Skywest and Republic are losing pilots just as fast as every other regional airline. Like many posting on here you simply gave us your hours. That covers a small part of getting hired at a major. What is your education level? Grades? Checkride failures? Employment held with management functions?

You either haven't read all of my recent posts, or you didn't comprehend them. Go back and try again.

I'm a college grad and had a couple of primary failures but none in the 135 world or on my type rating rides. No management jobs. Not a CFI.

Did you shave, yet?

Yes, every time just before I meet a recruiter. So far I've been able to hide it from my current employer. It's a good thing I don't see my bosses very often.

I seriously don't understand the shaving thing. Your employer makes decisions based on your facial hair? They're gonna can you if your chin is smooth? I don't even see how this would be a topic of discussion in a legit work environment. I mean, if you show up with a beard when one is not allowed, sure, but you chose to lose the beard; what's the issue?

I'm confused. Are you for or against them mandating you be clean shaven. I think the reasoning is that the oxygen mask wont seal against a beard very well. Same in the chemical plants. They have to be clean shaven so they can put on a mask in case of an inadvertant gas release. If a safety guy sees you with stubble, you are fired immediately, escorted to the gate and your credentials revoked...

Because suddenly shaving off my beard when I've never done so in the past is an indicator that I have a foot out the door.

The masks will still provide O2 with a beard and almost every country outside the US allows flight crews with facial hair.

Doesn't matter to the topic of discussion which is below. And FWIW I think the mask deal is bogus. Apples and oranges O2 delivery and a chemical seal IMO. Pretty sure a few American carriers now allow beards.

Or possibly it's your face and you can choose to shave your beard off if you choose to do so... is that a crazy idea? So you shave and you're fired? You've lost me on this. Are you that fearful of your current boss?

LOL what a clown comment. Get real dude.

1. No it dosnt prevent oxygen from getting to you
2. No you won't get fired ESPECIALLY if you are at a sane airline with a union

Can't stop laughing at this comment 😂😂

Maybe he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before his SkyWest interview...

Calm down. I didn't say I agree with it, or even care. Who said someone at an airline would get fired for having stubble? I was saying that they have it better than guys working at chemical plants.

I think you missed my original comments on this. I didn't want to shave for any interviews or meetings with recruiters because then my current employer would know I'm looking for another job.

You're out of the loop. All of the above is irrelevant.

121noob is afraid that his employer will find out he's looking for work, if 121noob shaves. We've had lengthy discussions about this on this site before.

He's also maintained that he's doing an idential job to Netjets...but at a company where he isn't required to shave. It's one of the many eccentricities that make up the web of excuses for 121noob.

The wonderment is that he's surprised he can't find a job. The world must have stopped hiring, if he can't find a job.

Cue the entitlement (again)...

You wrote that your just over 1500 hrs. Applying to the majors and LCC's. That TT probably isn't competitive right now. That's not including how much MEL or PIC time you have. It looks like the 1600-2000 TT LCC hiring might have sailed.

There's agreements in place, at least at AA a couple of years ago, as to what percentage of the total hiring is reserved for flow throughs. If hiring drops to zero flows drop to zero.

Well then don't shave for meetings with recruiters or onterviews. Just shave because you decided you no longer want to have a beard. I've had mustaches, beards, and goatees on and of for 40 years. Long hair, short hair, shaved head, etc.

Which honestly is complete BS. It’s been proven not to matter in almost every country. And now Allegiant allows beards, it’s a company standard.